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RTA not taking sides on bridge plan
Source: Inner West Courier
Author: Menios Constantinou
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http://www.villagevoice.com.au/article/20070612/NWS10/706120340/RTA+not+taking+sides+on+bridge+plan

It is estimated more than 800 buses carrying 35,000 commuters travel on Victoria Road every day.

The Roads and Traffic Authority has continued to dodge questions over the $100 million plan to ease peak hour congestion on Victoria Road, facing further criticism over its refusal to reveal on which side of Iron Cove the second bridge would be built.

A duplicate of the Iron Cove Bridge is among the key features of the plan to upgrade the major arterial road, one of Sydney's busiest public transport corridors.

The new bridge would include a dedicated westbound bus lane and three general traffic lanes in an effort to improve traffic flow in the area during peak periods.

Information on the RTA's website stated the bridge would be constructed on the eastern side of the existing bridge. However, opponents to the proposal have accused the agency of trying to conceal plans to build on the western side of Iron Cove, which would result in the probable demolition of houses and a public swimming pool.

Opposition Roads spokesman Duncan Gay issued a statement last week detailing the Coalition's successful move to force the Government to make public all RTA documents relating to the bridge within 14 days.

In State Parliament last week, Drummoyne MP Angela D'Amore, a strong advocate for the upgrade, acknowledged that residents were seeking clarification as to which side the duplicate bridge would be built on.

But the RTA has only said it would investigate all feasible options for constructing the duplicate bridge.

"Options will be put forward to the community for discussion once they are developed," an RTA spokeswoman said.

Ms D'Amore has billed the plan as "a major project for Drummoyne".

"This will encourage more people to use bus services along Victoria Road, which is a good way to travel to work," she said in parliament.

Meanwhile, the RTA snubbed an invitation from Canada Bay Council to attend a public meeting in Drummoyne last week, saying it undertook its own community consultation meeting with residents and Ms D'Amore.

More than 200 people attended the council's meeting at Drummoyne RSL.
 

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Saw this explanation of directional flow the other day. From http://www.answers.com/topic/iron-cove-bridge-new-south-wales

On 20 November 2006, the NSW Government announced plans to build a second bridge over Iron Cove as part of a A$100m upgrade to Victoria Road.[3] The new bridge, which is due for completion in 2009, will carry eastbound traffic and consist of three general traffic lanes and a bus lane. The existing bridge will carry four lanes of traffic westbound - three general traffic lanes and a bus lane - as well as pedestrian and cycle facilities. Premier Morris Iemma said that the Iron Cove Bridge duplication will greatly improve Victoria Road bus services
 

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It's a pity they can't remove the bridge entirely and build single elegant new bridge. The ironcove bridge is ugly. I guess shutting victoria road completely would not be such a great idea ;)

Creating overpasses and strengthening the bridge to a double-decker wouldn't work either.
 

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The Roads and Traffic Authority has continued to dodge questions over the $100 million plan to ease peak hour congestion on Victoria Road, facing further criticism over its refusal to reveal on which side of Iron Cove the second bridge would be built.
It's going on the Northern side.

But really they should do the expensive option - tunnel from White Bay to Drummoyne and be done with this stupid idea of removing the median at Drummoyne shops to fit more peak direction capacity to turn to Lyons Rd. But that'd cost 5 times more...
 

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Iron Cove bridge is nice.

Not surprising it's on the northern side. There is vacant land right near the bridge on both ends on that side of the bridge. Shall be interesting how they reconfigure some of the roads surrounding the bridge and how far up the additional lanes will go.
 

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It's a pity they can't remove the bridge entirely and build single elegant new bridge. The ironcove bridge is ugly. I guess shutting victoria road completely would not be such a great idea ;)

Creating overpasses and strengthening the bridge to a double-decker wouldn't work either.
Could they not build another bridge adjacent to the existing and then demolish the existing bridge. Like they did with Anzac Bridsge. I understand that some may say it has character but I am with you Avatar, it looks shite.
 

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Tunnels ! Why always tunnels . Always worried about destroying the views etc. Sometimes its just not worth the cost/time and effort.
 

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the ideal would be building Bradfield's north west expressway, from F3 through fox valley, along the lane cove river, M4 east junction, then the inner west truck tunnel to F6 north (all underground) - pressure taken off harbour crossings, city roads, victoria rd
 

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the ideal would be building Bradfield's north west expressway, from F3 through fox valley, along the lane cove river, M4 east junction, then the inner west truck tunnel to F6 north (all underground) - pressure taken off harbour crossings, city roads, victoria rd
Yes, lets build more freeways! Because they have, in the past, solved the congestion problem every time. Because when I sit in traffic I am sitting surrounded on all 4 sides by trucks destined for Port Botany - not a passenger car in sight. Remember, people driving for trips that could and should be served by PT is not the reason that we have congestion - its those nasty trucks innit?

Thank god most transport planners don't have the attitude "freeways are so cool so we need to build more" or "we need an Airport line to be as cool as other cities that have one" and so on, they actually put some semblance of thought into the planning process and ensure things are built as part of an overall plan....well, most of the time they do.

Sorry Aussieboy, this is not all against you only, its a general speaking out against that attitude that is prevalent here.
 

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Yes, lets build more freeways! Because they have, in the past, solved the congestion problem every time. Because when I sit in traffic I am sitting surrounded on all 4 sides by trucks destined for Port Botany - not a passenger car in sight. Remember, people driving for trips that could and should be served by PT is not the reason that we have congestion - its those nasty trucks innit?

Thank god most transport planners don't have the attitude "freeways are so cool so we need to build more" or "we need an Airport line to be as cool as other cities that have one" and so on, they actually put some semblance of thought into the planning process and ensure things are built as part of an overall plan....well, most of the time they do.

Sorry Aussieboy, this is not all against you only, its a general speaking out against that attitude that is prevalent here.

The airport line was built for several reasons.

1. Mainly to take rail traffic off the Tempe / Sydenham rail junctions (which it has sucessfully done)
2. A project announcement to help with the bid for the 2000 Olympic games
3. To open up new houseing corridores to high freuquency public transport of former industrial sites


The PPP has never made any money for the private owners of the stations due to their outrageous prices. The frequency of trains is fine but they are not dedicated. If four businees people were travelling to the airport from the city it would be $40 for the four of them to get the train. That is more than what a taxi would cost.

The only benefit of the airport line is the fact that you can get to the airport in near 10 minutes (sometimes) far far faster than a taxi stuck in Sydney traffic.

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The airport line was built for several reasons.

1. Mainly to take rail traffic off the Tempe / Sydenham rail junctions (which it has sucessfully done)
2. A project announcement to help with the bid for the 2000 Olympic games
3. To open up new houseing corridores to high freuquency public transport of former industrial sites


The PPP has never made any money for the private owners of the stations due to their outrageous prices. The frequency of trains is fine but they are not dedicated. If four businees people were travelling to the airport from the city it would be $40 for the four of them to get the train. That is more than what a taxi would cost.

The only benefit of the airport line is the fact that you can get to the airport in near 10 minutes (sometimes) far far faster than a taxi stuck in Sydney traffic.

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I'm not knocking the Sydney airport line - it is actually an integrated part of the network with meanginful destinations at either end and patronage sources other than the Airport.

I was more aiming it at some Melbournians who think an Airport Line is needed so they aren't the only city without one...
 

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Tunnels ! Why always tunnels .
Well, I suggest this mostly because it has the best outcome for Drummoyne shops. The RTA's proposal will further deteriorate the situation. But alternatively you could resume the lot and build the surface F3 through it...
 

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I was more aiming it at some Melbournians who think an Airport Line is needed so they aren't the only city without one...
I could cope with an airport line, if it say diverged at Essendon then ran through more lowly serviced regions like Niddrie and Airport West.

But yes, an airport line for the sake of an airport line is a monumental waste of money - any talk of super-express trains via Albion is just rubbish.
 

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I could cope with an airport line, if it say diverged at Essendon then ran through more lowly serviced regions like Niddrie and Airport West.

But yes, an airport line for the sake of an airport line is a monumental waste of money - any talk of super-express trains via Albion is just rubbish.
That line would be better run from Ascot Vale, through Aberfeldie, Keilor East, Niddrie, Airport West, Gladstone Park, then Tullamarine Airport... wait, why are we discussing this on a NSW thread? You drag me into these things so easily...:bash:
 

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When does Iemma & Costa announce the budget and thier plan for infrastructure?
 

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I have an idea. What if we replaced it with something like this. This is the The Erasmus Bridge in Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

In the day time.



At night





Not saying exactly the same but we could have something iconic like this. 4 lanes each way including or plus bus lanes. Also what if each night of the week the lights changed coulour so the bridge changed colour. This would be a big standout in Sydney. Another iconic infrastructure project we can be known for. The only problem is that it would cost around $300 million.
 

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Ahhh shit. I have just read that this is heritage listed. There goes my idea.
 

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Yay for heritage!

I was recently shown this flyover of the proposed Victoria Rd improvements. Basically an inbound bus lane with some indented bus bays is about all I can see (shitty resolution).

http://www.nsw.gov.au/UTS_Media.asp

There aren't any extra lanes in Rozelle or Drummoyne from what I could see - so this is probably Stage 1 of tunnels under Drummoyne and Rozelle, surfacing to cross Iron Cove on this bridge.
 
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