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Even with density like this going up in Santana Row, VTA believes that they should be building BART to the Santa Clara Caltrain instead. I suspect it is largely to undermine Caltrain, but at this point it is ridiculous, the Caltrain electrification is happening even if VTA has to be dragged kicking and screaming, and we will end up with billions of dollars of tunneling to replicate service to Santa Clara, were there is practically nothing, you can't even get to Avaya Stadium from there without taking the shuttle.

In the meantime VTA is all but happy to have 280 and 880 in gridlock. :eek:hno:
BART to SR would be great, but any underground option would be an absurd waste of dollars vs. alternative uses. I mean, $4bn for DTSJ is a lot of money, and goes a long way. Split that on improving bus services, more and better bike lanes in the county, bike sharing, pedestrian improvements, and the Dumbarton crossing for a much higher RoI than tunnels. So, to pencil out, BART to SR would have to be above-ground using existing public RoW as much as possible.
 

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I know this the answer to this deeply embedded in one the earlier threads since the topic has been beaten to death but..

What is the height limit in the Santana Row area?
FAA has no limit on the lot in question, but the north end of Santana Row, and parts are at 400-450 ft above MSL, and some are at 450-500 ft above MSL, either way seems like 300ft tower would be allowed, and unlimited on the lot in question, presumably.

http://www.flysanjose.com/fl/about/newsroom/Obstruction_Study.pdf
Page 33 for reference.

But this zoning map from the city (Sept 2013), says 120ft for the lot, as the height cap:
https://www.sanjoseca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/8294
 

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FAA has no limit on the lot in question, but the north end of Santana Row, and parts are at 400-450 ft above MSL, and some are at 450-500 ft above MSL, either way seems like 300ft tower would be allowed, and unlimited on the lot in question, presumably.

http://www.flysanjose.com/fl/about/newsroom/Obstruction_Study.pdf
Page 33 for reference.

But this zoning map from the city (Sept 2013), says 120ft for the lot, as the height cap:
https://www.sanjoseca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/8294
Thanks. I was wondering why they didn't go higher. Perhaps it was a function of the lot size and design more than the anything else..
 

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What needs to be included in the discussion is for whom is transit meant. IMO, shoppers at VF and SR will almost always arrive by car. But, SR is emerging as an office district, too, and employees can and are willing to take PT when it is in their best interest to do so.

That means--gasp--making parking inconvenient for employees (eg, charging per month and offering an equivalent incentive to not drive) while making PT free for them and ensuring that PT is timely (rapid and reliable), convenient, and comfortable (eg, clean, nice seats, quiet, fast Wi-Fi).
 

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I would really like a BART extension to SR instead of Santa Clara. But do I think it could change - no.

There are several issues:

1. I would wager that there are vastly more DTSJ proponents and other non-SR proponents than SR proponents who care about a BART extension to SR. Which is kind of sad.
2. I dont think there are enough tax payers of either SJ or Santa Clara County who care enough about public transit along this particular stretch. Especially given the drama that is playing out for HSR.

One thing that may swing the vote regarding both of the points above will be if it can be extended to also include a stretch to the airport. So SR<->Diridon<->SJC. All of these should be above grade tracks IMO - along 280 and 87. And ofcourse this doesnt have to be BART - it can be VTA as well..Infact VTA should have more of an incentive than BART to do such a thing.
 

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Isn't Santa Clara trying to build an urban village a few times larger than the current (not planned) Santana Row next to Levi's? That's probably why they want BART in the area. I mean, any competent metro area would just service both spots but it'll be impossible to find at this time.
That is the ass end of Santa Clara, nowhere near the proposed terminus station.
 

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Isn't Santa Clara trying to build an urban village a few times larger than the current (not planned) Santana Row next to Levi's? That's probably why they want BART in the area. I mean, any competent metro area would just service both spots but it'll be impossible to find at this time.
The Santa Clara Caltrain station is nowhere near Levi's Stadium though. This is sounds like another stupid idea by Santa Clara. They should really hire an urban planner at this point, they keep making very poor planning decisions. I wouldn't be surprised if they still think demolishing their downtown was a good idea.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...e-to-start-on-first-downtown-santa-clara.html
For Santa Clarans of a certain age, the loss of the city's downtown — eight compact blocks bulldozed in the 1960s under the auspices of "urban renewal" — still stings like yesterday.
 

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The Santa Clara Caltrain station is nowhere near Levi's Stadium though. This is sounds like another stupid idea by Santa Clara. They should really hire an urban planner at this point, they keep making very poor planning decisions. I wouldn't be surprised if they still think demolishing their downtown was a good idea.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...e-to-start-on-first-downtown-santa-clara.html
Nowhere near, but maybe it's close enough for the city. Probably just bad planning like you said.

Given that we are all a bit surprised of a tower proposal in Santana Row, I imagine it never crossed the minds of BART planning to even consider expanding here. Good thing is it's probably not too late to change course if there was actual push for it
 

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Nobody has mentioned it so I will: the only reason BART is to end at Santa Clara is because there's a plan to build a rail yard there. BART would store trains there and do repairs/cleaning/etc.

On the other note: the SR proposal is sexy. Hopefully is starts a design battle with DTSJ :)
 

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Nobody has mentioned it so I will: the only reason BART is to end at Santa Clara is because there's a plan to build a rail yard there. BART would store trains there and do repairs/cleaning/etc.

On the other note: the SR proposal is sexy. Hopefully is starts a design battle with DTSJ :)
Actually, they are potentially nixing that part of it in one of the recent revisions to the project to reduce costs (~$700 million). Whether or not they planned to do something in Santa Clara in the future, they are also currently working to expand the existing Hayward maintenance facility. IMO it would make even less sense to duplicate Caltrain service and also take up a big chunk of the station service area with a maintenance yard... just saying :eek:hno:
 

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Actually, they are potentially nixing that part of it in one of the recent revisions to the project to reduce costs (~$700 million). Whether or not they planned to do something in Santa Clara in the future, they are also currently working to expand the existing Hayward maintenance facility. IMO it would make even less sense to duplicate Caltrain service and also take up a big chunk of the station service area with a maintenance yard... just saying :eek:hno:
Hey do you have a source for that information on potentially nixing the maintenance yard? I've always heard of the project insisting that was necessary.
 

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Not sure if I posted this on here, but my thoughts from last week pre-25 story tower proposal, on BART to Santana Row: http://thinkbiggersanjose.com/2015/11/25/bart-to-santana-row-skip-santa-clara/
I still say taking the #1 lanes from 280 would be the most efficient idea, rather than some ugly viaduct or awfully expensive tunnel. It would allow it to hit SR, Vallco, and Apple, points I think should excite the city councils of SJ, Santa Clara, and Cupertino; "Hey, we want to make it easier to get employees in to your city without necessarily increasing vehicle traffic or new housing." I don't want to say "they" should carry new housing, but it's the smart budget move.
 

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The Santa Clara Caltrain station is nowhere near Levi's Stadium though. This is sounds like another stupid idea by Santa Clara. They should really hire an urban planner at this point, they keep making very poor planning decisions. I wouldn't be surprised if they still think demolishing their downtown was a good idea.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...e-to-start-on-first-downtown-santa-clara.html
Here's an update on that proposed development across from the Santa Clara train station: http://www.missiontowncenter.com/.

And going back to building the tallest building in the world in San Jose, such a building would need to surpass Saudi Arabia's planned skyscraper:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/30/world...eddah-tower1045AMStoryGalLink&linkId=19156564
 
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