The Space Needle is more like 75' elevation. I'm being lazy and not looking it up. I'd guess they're pretty close in base elevation.
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A City of Seattle map (small jpg, I'm assuming it was 50' increments) shows only a little of the Seattle Center at more than 100'. Right around the PSC and Children's Theater.
The Seattle Marathon claims to start at 100'. Though the Space Needle is a bit higher.
One site said its top elevation is 725', which would mean it sits on 120'.
Remembering that the 100' level is around 100' in elevation, look at the photo. I'll buy 100' but 125' looks too high.
I've yet to find a readable firsthand, authorative source. Only spent 20 minutes though.
A City of Seattle map (small jpg, I'm assuming it was 50' increments) shows only a little of the Seattle Center at more than 100'. Right around the PSC and Children's Theater.
The Seattle Marathon claims to start at 100'. Though the Space Needle is a bit higher.
One site said its top elevation is 725', which would mean it sits on 120'.
Remembering that the 100' level is around 100' in elevation, look at the photo. I'll buy 100' but 125' looks too high.
I've yet to find a readable firsthand, authorative source. Only spent 20 minutes though.
Pier 48 is close to Coleman Dock, to the south. Coleman Dock is Pier 52. The project, as I understand it, would encompass both.west_coast_bret said:Pier 48 is Colman Dock, the Washington State Ferries terminal in Seattle. I spent a few minutes talking to them about what they were going to build. Basically they are going to make a massive terminal like the train terminals in Europe (think Paris, London) but more modern. This will be a signature, iconic building for the waterfront. The holding areas for the cars that are waiting to board is actually underneath the dock and extends south under the water. The entrance would be at Jackson Street.
Costs are $250 million covered by the 5 cent gas tax approved a couple of years ago. WSF will also receive revenue from any part of the property that is developed for commercial purposes. The entrance on Alaskan Way will be open and well light, modern and restore some of the shoreline to make it feel more natural.
I don't know what's going on with funding, but I'd be surprised if funding was wrapped up that neatly. Is there a website that describes this?
Even without much rail, Seattle has the #2 transit ridership in the Western US per capita, any way you slice it. Buses aren't sexy, but along with some exclusive rights-of-way they carry a lot of people.
Personally I was surprised that so many projects were missing, meaning stuff that other companies have built. And everything was remarkably out of scale, except the Vulcan projects. But it's fun to look at.outoftime said:The other day I went down to the Discovery Sales Center (or whatever they call it) across the intersection from 2200. I had not realized the ambition and scope of Allen's development plans in the area until I saw them embodied in that huge scale model of the South Lake Union/Denny Triangle neighborhood. If you haven't already seen it, put on a salesman-proof vest (mine is a sleeveless muscle shirt with a huge corn-dog and "Food of the Gods" silkscreened on the front) and go check it out.
That's a 400-unit retirement residence that's basically 12 stories (or so) for the entire block with a courtyard in the middle and a small opening on the west side (a rectangular capital C in plan). What I hear is that they're just digging up tanks and maybe doing a little remediation, and one source says groundbreaking is years away. But part of me thinks they might be starting Phase I. Personally I'm very excited about this project because it'll be an entry to Cascade, and because 400 units is a big number for a Seattle-sized block.
WaMu will be much wider -- a full half-block. I'd guess at least twice as wide.SJM said:Looking good, you think wamu has a width closely the same?
That's a retirement housing project by Presbyterian Retirement Communities NW.
No, the Neptune is on Dexter, nearly a mile from I-5. There are three U-C housing projects in Cascade, all wood-frame, totaling about 460 units. (Cascade is bound by I-5, the Mercer ramps, Fairview, and Denny.)
That's great news about the Avalon Madison! PS, it now has about 220 units instead of 160, and it'll have medical offices instead of regular offices. Plus a small supermarket of 11,000 sf. The supermarket will be a big deal for the near part of First Hill.
That's great news about the Avalon Madison! PS, it now has about 220 units instead of 160, and it'll have medical offices instead of regular offices. Plus a small supermarket of 11,000 sf. The supermarket will be a big deal for the near part of First Hill.
I've been waiting 20 years this hole to be filled. It's been especially irksome because so many visitors walk by there.
PS, this will bring us to about 1,000 hotel rooms u-c in Downtown. That's not our biggest boom. I'm counting well over 3,000 in the past 10 years or so. Hell, around 1982 we opened 2,500 new rooms and also a massive re-do of the Olympic (with bigger rooms but 300 fewer).
PS, around 1982 we also had a remarkable array of high-rise residential towers, like First Hill Plaza (35 stories?), Continental Place (35 stories?), the Bay Vista (23 stories), Watermark Tower (22 stories?), and others. Or so says a real estate website. What a remarkable time. With the Columbia Center also being built, you could say that that was the year Seattle was finally a big city.
PS, around 1982 we also had a remarkable array of high-rise residential towers, like First Hill Plaza (35 stories?), Continental Place (35 stories?), the Bay Vista (23 stories), Watermark Tower (22 stories?), and others. Or so says a real estate website. What a remarkable time. With the Columbia Center also being built, you could say that that was the year Seattle was finally a big city.
Seattle has a "boutique" convention center. It has far less exhibition space than even the Stadium Exhibition Hall, though the CC is a much larger complex if you count lobbies, meeting rooms, kitchens, retail, etc.
While Denver goes for groups of 12,000 salesmen, we're successful drawing groups of 5,000 surgeons or biologists. Because Seattle is a desirable city and our hotels are expensive we focus on big-spenders.
We already beat most cities in the number of hotel rooms within walking distance -- probably 6,000, out of the 10,000 we have in the greater Downtown area. That's unusual. By 2007 Denver will have about 7,000 downtown rooms and we'll be in the 11,000 range -- compare that with the 15,000 and 5,000 figures. Despite allowances for doubling up, etc, our conventioneers can all fit within walking distance and theirs have to be bused in.
Convention centers are certainly getting overbuilt. It's a fine idea to expand if only, say, half of all cities do it. But nearly all of them are doing it.
Seattle is in an ok position for the future because our moderate expansion didn't cost very much (we didn't overextend ourselves), because our attractiveness as a city will help us compete even if the market declines long-term, and because we're a very convenient location due to proximity to hotels, as well as retail and tourist attractions.
Other cities have made dangerous bets. We'll find out especially when neighboring cities open their expansions.
While Denver goes for groups of 12,000 salesmen, we're successful drawing groups of 5,000 surgeons or biologists. Because Seattle is a desirable city and our hotels are expensive we focus on big-spenders.
We already beat most cities in the number of hotel rooms within walking distance -- probably 6,000, out of the 10,000 we have in the greater Downtown area. That's unusual. By 2007 Denver will have about 7,000 downtown rooms and we'll be in the 11,000 range -- compare that with the 15,000 and 5,000 figures. Despite allowances for doubling up, etc, our conventioneers can all fit within walking distance and theirs have to be bused in.
Convention centers are certainly getting overbuilt. It's a fine idea to expand if only, say, half of all cities do it. But nearly all of them are doing it.
Seattle is in an ok position for the future because our moderate expansion didn't cost very much (we didn't overextend ourselves), because our attractiveness as a city will help us compete even if the market declines long-term, and because we're a very convenient location due to proximity to hotels, as well as retail and tourist attractions.
Other cities have made dangerous bets. We'll find out especially when neighboring cities open their expansions.
I wonder where nomaballard is. Guessing the Elks site, currently well underway.
Shows you how utterly clueless Emporis is.
Olive Tower is supposedly projected to start around January. I like the rendering onsite much better than the rendering in the paper. But it's still a box unfortunately. Smart of them to point the sign at the Cosmopolitan sales center!
Meanwhile, they had quite a crowd today at the Cosmo sales center. There were probably 30 people outside around noon. If they presell a lot this weekend, I bet they'll do a press release.
PS, Olive 8 has a phenomenal location. Imagine being right near the retail district, movie theaters, and your office. If I was moving I'd think about it.
Meanwhile, they had quite a crowd today at the Cosmo sales center. There were probably 30 people outside around noon. If they presell a lot this weekend, I bet they'll do a press release.
PS, Olive 8 has a phenomenal location. Imagine being right near the retail district, movie theaters, and your office. If I was moving I'd think about it.
It's a 36-story rectangle, roughly square in plan view. This was taking its sweet time, but Hedreen, who's built several towers, seems to be full-speed ahead now.
The project across 8th was scrapped when the site was sold to Benaroya, who is thinking about something similar in the next several years.
The project across 8th was scrapped when the site was sold to Benaroya, who is thinking about something similar in the next several years.
I was counting projects today, and came up with 2,750 under construction in "greater Downtown", going as far as the Merrill Gardens, Neptune, and Trammell Crow projects on the north, Braeburn on the east (the only one past Broadway), and the ID on the south.
That's a modern-day record! We'd been at 2,500 a few months ago. I didn't count the "Speakeasy" site on Second, which would bring the current number to 2,800.
We could easily top 3,000 uc in a month or so. For example, Avenue 2 is supposed to start soon, with 190 units. And I thought Montreaux 2 would start this summer with 250. Others could be in the August/September timeframe also.
That's a modern-day record! We'd been at 2,500 a few months ago. I didn't count the "Speakeasy" site on Second, which would bring the current number to 2,800.
We could easily top 3,000 uc in a month or so. For example, Avenue 2 is supposed to start soon, with 190 units. And I thought Montreaux 2 would start this summer with 250. Others could be in the August/September timeframe also.
Both Montreaux projects are "workforce" condos -- large numbers of units in small woodframe buildings. Montreaux I is on 5th a block south of Denny, sort of a French motif. Montreaux II would be at the Murray Publishing site midblock around 2302 Third.
Actually the Montreaux II stuff is based upon guesses and a bid advertisement in a construction publication. I haven't read about it otherwise.
Actually the Montreaux II stuff is based upon guesses and a bid advertisement in a construction publication. I haven't read about it otherwise.
I hear the tower crane went up.
Looking at Emporis takes your knowledge level backward. They're wrong an astounding percent of the time. The simple fact they have an "approved" category suggests that they don't know the slightest thing about development.
Looking at Emporis takes your knowledge level backward. They're wrong an astounding percent of the time. The simple fact they have an "approved" category suggests that they don't know the slightest thing about development.
When did you hear about Tower Records? I thought they split from this project in May 2004.
It's been a month or two since we've discussed this one. From the projected start date to its actual start a year later, I walked by dozens of times waiting for something to happen.
It's been a month or two since we've discussed this one. From the projected start date to its actual start a year later, I walked by dozens of times waiting for something to happen.
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