[LanceDriver]

It's been a while so it's time for a pole!

So brus, should employers be allowed to pay more money to employees who are healthier, maybe because they are not fat lazy jims or not taking lots of sick days, and not coughing a spluttering around their workplace all the time spreading their foul sicknesses, and don't smoke or have benders?

Maybe the healthy workers could get paid bonuses based on their health stats and points gained through the year (or not loosed by being off sick). Sounds fair to me, especially around the being a fat john!! It may just encourage people to get their shit into gear if they know there's a juicy (and healthy) carrot to be munched on.

Unfortunately you can't dock people for being unhealthy scum but let's give bonuses to the fit ones because, come on, they are the people truly contributing within their workplace!!

Thin bus drivers awarded higher salaries
November 4, 2010 - 7:23AM
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/thin-bus-drivers-awarded-higher-salaries-20101104-17ed1.html

Thin bus drivers deserve higher salaries than their overweight colleagues, a Lithuanian transport company decided in an unconventional move to promote healthy lifestyles slammed by trade unions.

"Over a hundred bus drivers were weighed to calculate their body mass index," Elena Diniene, head of a local trade union in the northern city of Siauliai, said.

She explained that body mass index [BMI] is one of the criteria in a system of points that are decisive in salary hikes. A driver's health profile and blood pressure are among the other factors considered in determining pay rises, she said.

We cannot call it nothing other than a mockery. If they [the company] do not reconsider we will appeal to the courts," Diniene added.

"We just wanted to promote a health lifestyle," Vilius Lauzikas, director of Busturas, the transport company in question, told the Siauliu Krastas daily.

Lithuania's largest circulation daily Lietuvos Rytas ironically noted that the new rules mean that "drivers at work will feel like they're competing in a beauty pageant".

 

[Svartmetall]

No. Where do you draw the line? Do non-smokers get extra pay compared to smokers? Do people with gym membership get higher salaries compared to those without? Do women get paid less in manual jobs than men because they are women?

Stupid idea.

 

[tayser]

l.a.w.l.

 

[LanceDriver]

No. Where do you draw the line? Do non-smokers get extra pay compared to smokers? Do people with gym membership get higher salaries compared to those without? Do women get paid less in manual jobs than men because they are women?

Stupid idea.

You sir, are a commie!

 

[Svartmetall]

You sir, are a commie!

Judging from the responses of people like Snorky to my comments, I begin to think I am compared to most.

 

[BearCave]

Fat hairy bus drivers are cute as it is!
Leave them alone!!! :bash:

 

[Locke]

It's all a question of motivation, until we can figure out how to bring back dinosaurs, I think this is a good idea.

 

[L2]

If you hire a fat guy, you get more guy-for-your-dollar. Therefore slim people should be paid less, as you only get half as much guy-for-your-dollar, literally.

I say we do it the other way around.

 

[SM247]

If you hire a fat guy, you get more guy-for-your-dollar. Therefore slim people should be paid less, as you only get half as much guy-for-your-dollar, literally.

So logically, in the ideal firm, everybody would be an obese, pregnant, welfare breeder from Rockingham or Caboolture?

 

[Cruise]

I'd better not crack a fat on the job then. My pay will drop

 

[MILIUX]

Unfortunately you can't dock people for being unhealthy scum but let's give bonuses to the fit ones because, come on, they are the people truly contributing within their workplace!!

But that's a fact. Obese employees take more time off for sickies than healthy employees. Consider the habits may obese and unhealthy employees do in workplace like frequent snack breaks, ciggie breaks and toilet breaks. Not to forget the potential OH&S risks imposed by obese people in the workplace; and the greater emotional toll on them which could impact on productivity. It is prudent for the company to choose healthy people than obese if all other factors are equal. These deadweight losses cost company money. This is the job for actuary to mathematically figure out the size of deadweight loss, like how they figure out policy valuation for insurance premium.

 

[swifty78]

Id be more concerned how good one is at the actual job rather than their physical appearance...

 

[L2]

So logically, in the ideal firm, everybody would be an obese, pregnant, welfare breeder from Rockingham or Caboolture?

Not saying that, just saying you can pay $50,000 a year for 55kg of secretary, or pay $50,000 a year for 130kg of secretary.

Which one sounds like better bang-for-buck?

 

[crazyknightsfan]

Consider the habits may obese and unhealthy employees do in workplace like frequent snack breaks...and toilet breaks.

Interesting.

1. Part of having a good metabolism, and healthy living, is eating smaller meals at more frequent intervals. So therefore your 'healthy' person would be having frequent snack breaks, no?

2. A healthy person would have regular bowel movements and also drink lots of water, therefore needing to pee more than someone who unhealthily doesn't drink much water. So therefore, they would take more toilet breaks.

I am interested to hear your logic...

 

[Cruise]

CKF represents a fast food chain so he is clearly biased

 

[MILIUX]

Interesting.

1. Part of having a good metabolism, and healthy living, is eating smaller meals at more frequent intervals. So therefore your 'healthy' person would be having frequent snack breaks, no?

2. A healthy person would have regular bowel movements and also drink lots of water, therefore needing to pee more than someone who unhealthily doesn't drink much water. So therefore, they would take more toilet breaks.

I am interested to hear your logic...

At my workplace we have snack break 10'ish then formal lunch break at 1pm. We also have a crate of fruit for us to choose the moment we go pass kitchen before starting work.

My agenda:
8am grab fruits and eat some while working
10am snack break
1p-2pm lunch
4pm finish work

There is ample room to follow 4 smaller meals during my office hours.

1. Your logic doesn't suggest that obese people frequently eat carb rich and high GI food which makes them crave food more frequently. High GI food which spikes insulin makes excessive energy to be solidified into fat unless expended from energy usage. A desk jockey would not expend large calories.

2. Water isn't a diuretic unlike coffee, chocolate and salt. Diuretic foods necessitates more frequent toilet break. Coffee and chocolate also spikes insulin while it dehydrates, which makes one to consume food and water to compensate.

 

[crazyknightsfan]

At my workplace we have snack break 10'ish then formal lunch break at 1pm. We also have a crate of fruit for us to choose the moment we go pass kitchen before starting work.

My agenda:
8am grab fruits and eat some while working
10am snack break
1p-2pm lunch
4pm finish work

There is ample room to follow 4 smaller meals during my office hours.

1. Your logic doesn't suggest that obese people frequently eat carb rich and high GI food which makes them crave food more frequently.

2. Water isn't a diuretic unlike coffee, chocolate and salt. Diuretic foods necessitates more frequent toilet break. Coffee and chocolate also spikes insulin while it dehydrates, which makes one to consume food and water to compensate.

So you are saying that a healthy person can eat fruit at their desk while they work but an unhealthy person can't possibly eat chips/chocolate/whatever at their desk, they must break to do that?

I don't drink coffee, eat chocolate or eat salt (lol). What I do know is that when I drink more water, it makes me want to pee more.

You'd also be aware that desk workers are encouraged to take multiple small breaks during the day to get up from their chair and walk around, for health reasons. Now an unhealthy person could sit in their chair all day, couldn't they? Because they aren't interested in exercise.

 

[MILIUX]

How many apples an average employee would consume compared to a bag of chips while concentrating on the screen? My observation from my peers in my floors says they eat far more junk food than apples given their preference and nutritional value. Considering that apple fills one up much faster and longer than chips which contains high sodium (and thus a diuretic); makes one who chooses chips over apples eat at more frequent intervals.

If someone takes Red Bull and is all hype about it, then how long will it last before it craves for another can to boost their energy up? With a high stimulant content like Red Bull it may cause poor judgement on some people.

 

[Sanj]

LAWS OF THE JUNGLE

 

[MILIUX]

Not laws, it's actuary; focusing on qualitative side of logic.

I'm sure actuary can come up with mathematical evidence that if all other factors are equal, health employee is more productive than the obese.