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I think the decision to host a statue says something of the aspirations and values of the society that venerates it. Newcastle generally have statues to creative and entrepreneurial industrialists, and the focus of the statues is not about conquest or political domination (Rhodes, Cromwell etc), but of regional industry or significance.

It is important that we all talk about it, and realise these venerated people can be both heroes and deeply flawed human beings in their own right. It is unthinkable not to have a statue of Winston Churchill, but then to resolve what he said about India with the millions of British people with Indian heritage is not straightforward.

Britain needs to come to terms with its Colonial past. I think we have awkwardly avoided the subject and stepped back while the world focusses more on the genocides of the 20th century instead. But it is also really critical as a society we do not let events of the States to create an 'us and them' feeling because anyone that is an economic player of any kind in Britain, or any other country in the world really, is profiting on the subjugation and terrors of people from the past.
 

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Much like Gladstone's involvement in demanding recompense for the Abolition bill- Politicians of the past are basically getting judged on the sins of their fathers.

It is an important note in history that the men that enabled recompense to slave owners, did so because they could afford to do so and needed to, to avoid civil war in the colonies.

If you'd like to imagine what it would have been like if they hadn't paid off slave owners, take a look at the American Civil War.

This is why statues should not be judged in the Court of Public Opinion, but by a judgement based upon historical knowledge.
 

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- A Question . . . Can you always easily find a subject or individual topic that you know has been discussed on our forum?

2 - The Newcastle Forum of Skyscraper City has now built up a very large archive of facts about Newcastle and the North East - Photos, Maps & Plans, Detailed Factual Information, etc.

However, where exactly is all that information when you need it? .Well, it is 'somewhere' on one of the many forum threads of course, but which thread is it on, and whereabouts on that (perhaps very long) thread, can it be found?

3 - The way our forum has naturally evolved since it started in October 2009, we appear to have have developed SEVEN 'broad types' (categories) of thread on the forum. Those seven categories are:

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4 - The BULK of this index, though, is made up of LINKS direct to specific 'individual posts' from within the various threads, where those posts contain important salient facts that will be of use in the future, for researchers and other interested parties. Of course, we already have the “Search Facility” to use to find subjects and facts on the forum, on any thread, but that often gives you such a large selection of posts to look through. Also (in order to work properly for you) it relies on the post you are looking for having used the same words and terms that you have chosen to search for, which may not always be the case.

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Statue stuff- there's an awful lot of dodgy information floating around about this. Its being reported all over the media that this was some kind of antifa hit list and they were going to try to blow up the monument any day.... where it was a crowd sourced list and before the moderators had a look at it, idiots had added all and sundry.
I'm told by someone who was at the BLM protest one of the speakers even said something to the effect of how compared to some other cities making the news think on how lucky we are in Newcastle that our big central statue is of such a respectable person who did a lot for equal rights.

An odd nerdy question- does anyone know what thinking went into deciding the postcodes around Newcastle?
I notice NE1 is the centre, NE2 the posh north, NE up to 5 the west end, then up to 8 the east end, 9 to 11 is Gateshead, 12 and 13 in the very north of the city....and then 14 just doesn't exist.
I'm trying to see some logic in this but not quite getting it.
 

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Statue stuff- there's an awful lot of dodgy information floating around about this. Its being reported all over the media that this was some kind of antifa hit list and they were going to try to blow up the monument any day.... where it was a crowd sourced list and before the moderators had a look at it, idiots had added all and sundry.
I'm told by someone who was at the BLM protest one of the speakers even said something to the effect of how compared to some other cities making the news think on how lucky we are in Newcastle that our big central statue is of such a respectable person who did a lot for equal rights.

An odd nerdy question- does anyone know what thinking went into deciding the postcodes around Newcastle?
I notice NE1 is the centre, NE2 the posh north, NE up to 5 the west end, then up to 8 the east end, 9 to 11 is Gateshead, 12 and 13 in the very north of the city....and then 14 just doesn't exist.
I'm trying to see some logic in this but not quite getting it.
NE8 is Gateshead.
 

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The postcode areas were based on a previous division of the the region pesumably devised by the Post Office. I grew up in Gateshead in the 40s and 50s and our coreect postal address was always "Gateshead 8"..
 

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I have just heard the sad news of the passing of David Lovie. He was the conservation officer at Newcastle City Council during my time there. Others may know of him as the author of many books about Newcastle and Grainger Town.

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