Don't encourage the proliferation of smartcards, it'll only make things worse for us all..
Smart Cards form Transport Council
http://www.trucknbus.com.au/abc/displaystory.cfm?storyid=21959
Personally i think this is quite a good idea.
Smart Cards form Transport Council
The Smart Card Alliance, the US body aiming at interoperability of smart card operation and payment systems, has formed a Transportation Council.
Just as Sydney and Brisbane have gone with different smart card systems and face interoperability issues, so this problem is developing globally as different cities and states go for different suppliers.
The Smart Card Alliance sees interoperability (the ability to use any card across all systems) in public transport as a key to developing smart card usage.
The aim is that a person with any sort of smart card could use it on any public transport (or other commertcial usage) system.
By doing this, as as been best developed in Hong Kong wityh the Octopus Card, the usage of smart cards would grow fastest and more benefits would be available, especially to public transport operators. Octopus can be used on buses, trains, ferries, many retailers and fastfood outlets as well as vending machines. The more useful the card, the more people hold one, and the more likely they are to use public transport.
"The transit industry has made significanmt progress in supporting the use of contactless smart card based payment as the most convenient and secure payment option for commuters," said Randy Vanderhoof, executive director of the Smart Card Alliance.
"The Transportation Council wpould like to leverage that progress by joining forces with key organisations, such as the American Public Transport Association, top address ways to accelerate payment processing across multiple operators."
The initial project will be to explore linkages between transit payment systems and smart card programs in tolling, parking and financial institutions.
More details at www.smartcardalliance.org and at www.apta.com
Tuesday 22 March 2005
Personally i think this is quite a good idea.
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enough of you! we already know your views.
And I know yours too, yet you persist with this whole discussion forums thing, same as I do..
I wonder why..
I wonder why..
well i posted a news story... comepltly diff to the last one.
and you posted the same comment you made in the other thread (obviouslyn not exact csame comment)
You didnt even respond ot what the article actually said. For all i know you read "smart Cards For......." and typed your response
that is the difference.
and you posted the same comment you made in the other thread (obviouslyn not exact csame comment)
You didnt even respond ot what the article actually said. For all i know you read "smart Cards For......." and typed your response
that is the difference.
In Australia, the new transport council should be a separate governing body, similiar to the "Transport for London" concept that administers buses, trains, tube, ferry etc and collects the tolls from motorways and the world first 'city exclusion zone' toll for entering the city district.
well in Perth we are now full steam ahead with our smart cards and they will be ready by Dec 2005 - Jan 2006.
there needs to be more power for stuff like this on a federal level i feel.
there needs to be more power for stuff like this on a federal level i feel.
So SmartRider has been moved from September to December?
Seems like it will never come into use :sleepy:
Seems like it will never come into use :sleepy:
To my knowlegde theyve been in use here (testing of course) for a month or more.
Nikko knows =D
(too bad he BAILED the site)
Nikko knows =D
(too bad he BAILED the site)
Is this about the new Translink ticketing system that is coming soon? I have a friend who works at Translink and the system is already in place in several stations around the city.
Also its not a card, its more of a transponder from what I have been told. You can attach it to anything, Jewelry, watches, bags - and just walk through and it registers and automatically deducts the fair from your account. Similar to E-Toll on qld motorways except its with individual people. In the future it may even be possible to surgically implant them into people then you just run your hand over a machine to add money. I think initially cards will be available at first though.
It does make me nervous, like things I used to read in the Bible about the end days and the mark of the beast ect - its all very revelation/david.
I suppose you can't stop progress though. When done Brisbane will have one of the most modern ticketing systems in the world.
Also its not a card, its more of a transponder from what I have been told. You can attach it to anything, Jewelry, watches, bags - and just walk through and it registers and automatically deducts the fair from your account. Similar to E-Toll on qld motorways except its with individual people. In the future it may even be possible to surgically implant them into people then you just run your hand over a machine to add money. I think initially cards will be available at first though.
It does make me nervous, like things I used to read in the Bible about the end days and the mark of the beast ect - its all very revelation/david.
I suppose you can't stop progress though. When done Brisbane will have one of the most modern ticketing systems in the world.
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you have to touch it to the readers for it to register, so it isn't exactly like e-toll. Also, since it is called 'smartcard' I wouldn't say it isn't exacly a card.
you have to touch it to the readers for it to register, so it isn't exactly like e-toll. Also, since it is called 'smartcard' I wouldn't say it isn't exacly a card.
ive got a smart rider, atm they just replace concession cards, but by the end of the year they will be like multiriders, so prepaid sorta things which you scan the barcode on the gate at the train stations, there putting in the gates at major stations atm i noticed.
Thats not what I heard - aparently they are working on a system where they can be put into Jewelry and on bags so you just walk by a transponder on a bus, ferry or train and it registers a trip. Not sure how it works but aparently it will be the first of its kind in Australia.Orfeo said:^
you have to touch it to the readers for it to register, so it isn't exactly like e-toll. Also, since it is called 'smartcard' I wouldn't say it isn't exacly a card.
New Melbourne system announced.
US bidder wins $500m ticketing contract
By Dan Silkstone
Transport reporter
July 12, 2005 - 1:21PM
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The State Government has announced the winning bidder for the $494 million contract to supply the state's new public transport smart card.
American company Keane Incorporated was announced this morning to build, install and run the new system, which will begin operating in 2007.
Premier Steve Bracks said the system would create 100 jobs, but the biggest winners would be the state's commuters.
"The ticket they use to catch a train from Bendigo will be the same as the ticket they use to catch a tram to St Kilda," he said.
Mr Bracks said commuters would not need to know what zone they were in when they bought a ticket, what zones they were travelling through or what the cheapest available fare would be.
The card automatically recognises the user's position in the transport network and the cheapest available fare.
The founder and chairman of Keane, John F Keane, said he was delighted to be the winning bidder.
"We are 100 per cent committed to the success of this program . . . and committed to making this the benchmark to which other ticketing systems compare themselves," Mr Keane said.
AdvertisementAdvertisement
Keane, an IT and business services firm, is the major partner in a consortium known as KAMCO.
The consortium also includes ASCOM, which will provide fare-collection equipment; Perth company ERG, which will be responsible for installation and maintenance; and Melbourne firm G&D, which will provide the cards.
ERG was a surprise latecomer to the bid. The firm was behind the introduction of the current metcard in 1997 and had put in a separate bid for the smartcard contract, which was eliminated earlier in the tender process.
Keane operates in the US, Canada, India and the UK.
The company's other transport clients include CSX Technology, a Fortune 500 company, and Railinc.
The State Opposition had earlier raised concerns about the tender process.
FOI documents revealed that Victoria's Transport Ticketing Authority paid Keane $230,000 for a three-month consultancy last year on an "open-architecture" system, which would avoid the need for the Government to be locked into a contract linked to specific hardware.
The Liberal Party says on its website that two consultants worked in Melbourne for as much as $15,000 a week.
But the authority's general manager, Duncan Bryce, said the open-architecture requirement was only a small part of the tender process, and that Keane had been asked to provide advice because there were a limited number of experts in the field.
Melbourne is the first Australian city to opt for a such a system, although it is becoming popular overseas. Sydney, Brisbane and Perth have recently decided to adopt systems that do not feature open architecture.
Some industry sources say the focus upon open architecture could have given the American company a competitive advantage because it is expert in such systems and, unlike some of the other bidders, is not a developer of ticketing hardware.
More than 71 million metcards were sold in Melbourne last year.
- theage.com.au
US bidder wins $500m ticketing contract
By Dan Silkstone
Transport reporter
July 12, 2005 - 1:21PM
*
The State Government has announced the winning bidder for the $494 million contract to supply the state's new public transport smart card.
American company Keane Incorporated was announced this morning to build, install and run the new system, which will begin operating in 2007.
Premier Steve Bracks said the system would create 100 jobs, but the biggest winners would be the state's commuters.
"The ticket they use to catch a train from Bendigo will be the same as the ticket they use to catch a tram to St Kilda," he said.
Mr Bracks said commuters would not need to know what zone they were in when they bought a ticket, what zones they were travelling through or what the cheapest available fare would be.
The card automatically recognises the user's position in the transport network and the cheapest available fare.
The founder and chairman of Keane, John F Keane, said he was delighted to be the winning bidder.
"We are 100 per cent committed to the success of this program . . . and committed to making this the benchmark to which other ticketing systems compare themselves," Mr Keane said.
AdvertisementAdvertisement
Keane, an IT and business services firm, is the major partner in a consortium known as KAMCO.
The consortium also includes ASCOM, which will provide fare-collection equipment; Perth company ERG, which will be responsible for installation and maintenance; and Melbourne firm G&D, which will provide the cards.
ERG was a surprise latecomer to the bid. The firm was behind the introduction of the current metcard in 1997 and had put in a separate bid for the smartcard contract, which was eliminated earlier in the tender process.
Keane operates in the US, Canada, India and the UK.
The company's other transport clients include CSX Technology, a Fortune 500 company, and Railinc.
The State Opposition had earlier raised concerns about the tender process.
FOI documents revealed that Victoria's Transport Ticketing Authority paid Keane $230,000 for a three-month consultancy last year on an "open-architecture" system, which would avoid the need for the Government to be locked into a contract linked to specific hardware.
The Liberal Party says on its website that two consultants worked in Melbourne for as much as $15,000 a week.
But the authority's general manager, Duncan Bryce, said the open-architecture requirement was only a small part of the tender process, and that Keane had been asked to provide advice because there were a limited number of experts in the field.
Melbourne is the first Australian city to opt for a such a system, although it is becoming popular overseas. Sydney, Brisbane and Perth have recently decided to adopt systems that do not feature open architecture.
Some industry sources say the focus upon open architecture could have given the American company a competitive advantage because it is expert in such systems and, unlike some of the other bidders, is not a developer of ticketing hardware.
More than 71 million metcards were sold in Melbourne last year.
- theage.com.au
^^^
Brisbane's should be up and running before any other aussie city:
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Cubic signs $134m smart card deal
Cubic Transportation Systems Australia has signed a $134 million contract with the Queensland Government to design, build, operate and maintain a smart card-based integrated ticketing system in South East Queensland.
Work on the contract will begin immediately, with a trial scheduled for late 2004. Cubic will also assume all ticketing system operations and maintenance services for a minimum ten years.
As part of the deal, Cubic will establish a key regional presence in Brisbane, involving the relocation of staff from Sydney and San Diego, and 40 to 50 new high-tech jobs for the region.
Public transport users will be able to load value onto their cards at rail stations, on buses and via a network of terminals strategically located at retail outlets. Users can also add value on a website to be designed, which will automatically add the value the next time they use their cards in the system.
Under the contract, Cubic will supply approximately 8,000 of its open architecture based Tri-Readers, which can read any contactless card meeting international standards. The system’s backbone is the Nextfare Central System, which is a configurable suite of software modules designed to supply the core transaction processing; financial operations including revenue clearing, settlement and reporting; a debit/credit account gateway for payments; customer service database support, and an inherent scalability to provide additional services when needed.
Queensland Minister for transport and main roads Steve Bredhauer says the integrated ticketing project is the result of almost four decades of work. “From July 1 next year, all operators will charge the same fares and concessions using the same set of ticketing products across one of the biggest integrated transit systems in the world - north to Noosa, south to Coolangatta, and west to Helidon,” Bredhauer says. "The new smartcard system will see many fares reduced and will complement, what is in essence, a total overhaul of public transport, to deliver a fully integrated system with smartcard integrated ticketing as its centrepiece."
Bredhauer says the system is "unlike other states where integrated ticketing has been introduced, in that we are not simply overlaying the new system on top of an existing transit system”.
“With work now underway, we are developing an entirely new network that will see Queensland Transport centrally planning all major routes and services for 18 public transport operators, therefore ensuring services with better connections and minimum waiting times,” Bredhauer explains.
"Additionally, passengers will no longer need to fumble in their pockets for loose change or wait for their ticket to be validated - in fact, they won't even need to remove their cards from their purses or wallets, making boarding times faster and reducing overall trip times”.
Smartcards will initially be introduced in parallel with a paper-based ticketing system as commuters become accustomed to its use, Bredhauer adds.
http://ferret.com.au/articles/b7/0c0186b7.asp
Brisbane's should be up and running before any other aussie city:
_____________________________________________________________________________
Cubic signs $134m smart card deal
Cubic Transportation Systems Australia has signed a $134 million contract with the Queensland Government to design, build, operate and maintain a smart card-based integrated ticketing system in South East Queensland.
Work on the contract will begin immediately, with a trial scheduled for late 2004. Cubic will also assume all ticketing system operations and maintenance services for a minimum ten years.
As part of the deal, Cubic will establish a key regional presence in Brisbane, involving the relocation of staff from Sydney and San Diego, and 40 to 50 new high-tech jobs for the region.
Public transport users will be able to load value onto their cards at rail stations, on buses and via a network of terminals strategically located at retail outlets. Users can also add value on a website to be designed, which will automatically add the value the next time they use their cards in the system.
Under the contract, Cubic will supply approximately 8,000 of its open architecture based Tri-Readers, which can read any contactless card meeting international standards. The system’s backbone is the Nextfare Central System, which is a configurable suite of software modules designed to supply the core transaction processing; financial operations including revenue clearing, settlement and reporting; a debit/credit account gateway for payments; customer service database support, and an inherent scalability to provide additional services when needed.
Queensland Minister for transport and main roads Steve Bredhauer says the integrated ticketing project is the result of almost four decades of work. “From July 1 next year, all operators will charge the same fares and concessions using the same set of ticketing products across one of the biggest integrated transit systems in the world - north to Noosa, south to Coolangatta, and west to Helidon,” Bredhauer says. "The new smartcard system will see many fares reduced and will complement, what is in essence, a total overhaul of public transport, to deliver a fully integrated system with smartcard integrated ticketing as its centrepiece."
Bredhauer says the system is "unlike other states where integrated ticketing has been introduced, in that we are not simply overlaying the new system on top of an existing transit system”.
“With work now underway, we are developing an entirely new network that will see Queensland Transport centrally planning all major routes and services for 18 public transport operators, therefore ensuring services with better connections and minimum waiting times,” Bredhauer explains.
"Additionally, passengers will no longer need to fumble in their pockets for loose change or wait for their ticket to be validated - in fact, they won't even need to remove their cards from their purses or wallets, making boarding times faster and reducing overall trip times”.
Smartcards will initially be introduced in parallel with a paper-based ticketing system as commuters become accustomed to its use, Bredhauer adds.
http://ferret.com.au/articles/b7/0c0186b7.asp
you will still need to tag on and tag off... its a contactless smart card so u need to rub it against the reader... can still be inside a wallet or purse.... but its not like an e-tag.. nothing new.... HK has had it for Years and Perth are installing it now and are in trials etc: with all school kids having had one for a few months...
Perth already has an integrated ticketing system and will be the first in Aust to have smartcards
Perth already has an integrated ticketing system and will be the first in Aust to have smartcards
It is on their website - why don't you take a look? You are right that the system can be part of a watch but you have to buy a special watch for it, you can't just add it to an existing one. And still it must be swiped against the readed.JayT said:Thats not what I heard - aparently they are working on a system where they can be put into Jewelry and on bags so you just walk by a transponder on a bus, ferry or train and it registers a trip. Not sure how it works but aparently it will be the first of its kind in Australia.
Perth or Brisbane, Perthguy.
Melbourne doesnt appear TOO far behind.
But Both Perth and Bris are already trialling them..
Melbourne doesnt appear TOO far behind.
But Both Perth and Bris are already trialling them..
I agree. I bet getting around Sydney is going to get more expensive thanks to them as you will be charged by the trip and by the looks of it there will be no periodical tickets as well (which I use each week) :bash:MrPC said:Don't encourage the proliferation of smartcards, it'll only make things worse for us all..
There will be periodical tickets......Fabian said:I agree. I bet getting around Sydney is going to get more expensive thanks to them as you will be charged by the trip and by the looks of it there will be no periodical tickets as well (which I use each week) :bash:
You load them onto the smartcard.
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