So Uganda is threatening to pull out of Somalia because they don’t like a UN report regarding their war crimes in the Congo. And these people are supposedly the peace keepers in Somalia. How hypocritical
Somalia: Uganda Vows to Remove Their Soldiers
Uganda government vowed to remove their troops from Somalia after UN accuses Ugandan forces of participating in the attacks and recommends that the international community seeks to prosecute those responsible, Radio Garowe Reports.
"The reports released by U.N will interfere about the peacekeeping process done by Ugandan soldier in internally or externally, it may lead us remove our troops from chaotic country, Somalia," Uganda Interior Minister, Sam Kutesa told the reporters.
Kutesa urged that Ugandan government may eliminate their 4500 soldier in Somali capital of Mogadishu.
The United Nations released a report on Friday documenting hundreds of atrocities in the former Zaire between 1993 and 2003.
The report from a two year investigation pins both Uganda and Rwanda of chronic wanton massacres and systematic sexual enslavement of Congolese.
The report accused Uganda of massacre and torture of civilians, warned it could review the attendance of its 4,300 troops in Somalia as part of an African Union contingent.
Uganda and Burundi are the only countries that have contributed troops to the African Union peacekeeping mission in war-torn Somalia.
In July, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni promised to remove Al-Shabaab, saying the AU would send 20,000 troops to Somalia - up from the current force of 5,000 - after the Kampala attacks.
"The reports released by U.N will interfere about the peacekeeping process done by Ugandan soldier in internally or externally, it may lead us remove our troops from chaotic country, Somalia," Uganda Interior Minister, Sam Kutesa told the reporters.
Kutesa urged that Ugandan government may eliminate their 4500 soldier in Somali capital of Mogadishu.
The United Nations released a report on Friday documenting hundreds of atrocities in the former Zaire between 1993 and 2003.
The report from a two year investigation pins both Uganda and Rwanda of chronic wanton massacres and systematic sexual enslavement of Congolese.
The report accused Uganda of massacre and torture of civilians, warned it could review the attendance of its 4,300 troops in Somalia as part of an African Union contingent.
Uganda and Burundi are the only countries that have contributed troops to the African Union peacekeeping mission in war-torn Somalia.
In July, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni promised to remove Al-Shabaab, saying the AU would send 20,000 troops to Somalia - up from the current force of 5,000 - after the Kampala attacks.
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Keeping peace my ass.
Not like they have done anything for Somalia , other than being body guards of the tourist of the so called Transitional Government at the request of the masters (US) anyways.
They claimed to stay in Congo so that they get rid of their rebels and never did what they claimed to do, instead they stayed raping our women, stealing Timber, Gold and killings.
Not like they have done anything for Somalia , other than being body guards of the tourist of the so called Transitional Government at the request of the masters (US) anyways.
They claimed to stay in Congo so that they get rid of their rebels and never did what they claimed to do, instead they stayed raping our women, stealing Timber, Gold and killings.
Keeping peace my ass.
Not like they have done anything for Somalia , other than being body guards of the tourist of the so called Transitional Government at the request of the masters (US) anyways.
They claimed to stay in Congo so that they get rid of their rebels and never did what they claimed to do, instead they stayed raping our women, stealing Timber, Gold and killings.
Not only is Uganda involved so is Rwanda. :lol:
This is completely embarrassing really. The so called peace keeping nation have committed war crimes. Oh the irony
I feel sorry for those poor people in Congo. I hope justice is served one day. But unlikely, since Uganda is an ally of America
The world recognizes TFG as the real and worthy leadership in Somalia the Ugandans should be commended for keeping them safe.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201010040179.htmlWhat's the source?
http://www.observer.ug/index.php?op...ganda-rwanda-pressure&catid=34:news&Itemid=59
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE68T0CB.htm
Just search around.
UN is going to released an explosive report about Rwanda and Uganda dealings in Congo, in which they have committed war crimes. But unsurprisingly, these countries don't want the report released and already dismissing it.
Burundi has also protested against the draft :lol:
Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi furious at UN DRC report
http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20101001-rwanda-uganda-burundi-furious-un-drc-report
Al Shabab is definitely a terrorist organization, yet it has less blood on its hand than all these three countries. Al Shabab worst crime is nothing compared to what they did in Congo
http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20101001-rwanda-uganda-burundi-furious-un-drc-report
Al Shabab is definitely a terrorist organization, yet it has less blood on its hand than all these three countries. Al Shabab worst crime is nothing compared to what they did in Congo
The Congo was bad. But the UN should show more sense. They jepordise the safety and developement (hopefully one day by the AU force) just so they can release a report that will shove vague fingers around and have no power to do anything to anyone unless they are a militia man created under these countries. Look at the Sudanese fella. An international arrest warrent and look at him. Going to Chad and Uganda. The reports a waste of time and resources. Only there to damage other key areas. Dont get me wrong. I hope these people will be punished but is it going to happen?
Ah well..... I doubt they will leave. The UN will probebly just do what they did with Rwanda when they wanted them to stay in the Sudan. Also Uganda has vowed to make Al-Shabaab pay for it's attacks on Ugandan territory. Burundi was involved in that war (the second Congo one) I think, could it also be highlighted in this report?
PS: I believe Guinean troops are already on their way to Somalia and Djibouti is just waiting for it's already mobilized troops to be given the resources from the west. Though countries like Nigeria said similar things when they promised to go.
Ah well..... I doubt they will leave. The UN will probebly just do what they did with Rwanda when they wanted them to stay in the Sudan. Also Uganda has vowed to make Al-Shabaab pay for it's attacks on Ugandan territory. Burundi was involved in that war (the second Congo one) I think, could it also be highlighted in this report?
PS: I believe Guinean troops are already on their way to Somalia and Djibouti is just waiting for it's already mobilized troops to be given the resources from the west. Though countries like Nigeria said similar things when they promised to go.
So Uganda is going to make Al Shabab pay for the bombings that were carried out by ethnic Ugandans, interestingThe Congo was bad. But the UN should show more sense. They jepordise the safety and developement (hopefully one day by the AU force) just so they can release a report that will shove vague fingers around and have no power to do anything to anyone unless they are a militia man created under these countries. Look at the Sudanese fella. An international arrest warrent and look at him. Going to Chad and Uganda. The reports a waste of time and resources. Only there to damage other key areas. Dont get me wrong. I hope these people will be punished but is it going to happen?
Ah well..... I doubt they will leave. The UN will probebly just do what they did with Rwanda when they wanted them to stay in the Sudan. Also Uganda has vowed to make Al-Shabaab pay for it's attacks on Ugandan territory. Burundi was involved in that war (the second Congo one) I think, could it also be highlighted in this report?
PS: I believe Guinean troops are already on their way to Somalia and Djibouti is just waiting for it's already mobilized troops to be given the resources from the west. Though countries like Nigeria said similar things when they promised to go.
Guinea promised at the start of June that they will send troops, yet no troops have arrived and mostly likely no troops will arrive.
Djibouti will never send troops to Somalia. Djibouti understands Somalia very well and knows that force isn't key to a tribal society. They will most likely train some soldiers.
Numerous other countries have made fruitless promises just to appease UN and Western countries. But many don’t want enter a long protracted civil war for no long term benefit to them..
Maybe, just maybe, someone has started to see through the Rwandan guilt tripping and emotional blackmail over their genocide as a cover for their activities in the Congo.The UN is obviously not covered in glory for its totthlessness which is no fault of their own because they are as useful as the major powers want them to be. The reaction by Rwanda and Uganda is interesting in that they revert to the same infantile threats of withdrawing their peacekeepers from wherever they are operating because they are accused of wrongdoing in the Congo.If they are peeved at these allegations why dont they prove them wrong instead of trying to tie in issues to do with Somalia with alleged atrocities in Central Africa.I have not heard any solid defense or even explanation from bot these countries except throw their toys out of the pram.The Congo was bad. But the UN should show more sense. They jepordise the safety and developement (hopefully one day by the AU force) just so they can release a report that will shove vague fingers around and have no power to do anything to anyone unless they are a militia man created under these countries. Look at the Sudanese fella. An international arrest warrent and look at him. Going to Chad and Uganda. The reports a waste of time and resources. Only there to damage other key areas. Dont get me wrong. I hope these people will be punished but is it going to happen?
Ah well..... I doubt they will leave. The UN will probebly just do what they did with Rwanda when they wanted them to stay in the Sudan. Also Uganda has vowed to make Al-Shabaab pay for it's attacks on Ugandan territory. Burundi was involved in that war (the second Congo one) I think, could it also be highlighted in this report?
PS: I believe Guinean troops are already on their way to Somalia and Djibouti is just waiting for it's already mobilized troops to be given the resources from the west. Though countries like Nigeria said similar things when they promised to go.
BOLDSo Uganda is going to make Al Shabab pay for the bombings that were carried out by ethnic Ugandans, interesting
Attack claimed by Al-Shabab. It doesnt matter who pulled the trigger, you go to the source. You use the term puppet govs for Ethiopia with the west and give the blame to them just as much.
Guinea promised at the start of June that they will send troops, yet no troops have arrived and mostly likely no troops will arrive.
Djibouti will never send troops to Somalia. Djibouti understands Somalia very well and knows that force isn't key to a tribal society. They will most likely train some soldiers.
Thats why I said what I said about Nigeria
Numerous other countries have made fruitless promises just to appease UN and Western countries. But many don’t want enter a long protracted civil war for no long term benefit to them..
No long term benfit? Somalia has some of the most key ports in all of Africa? Piracy is hurting the east African trade routes between Europe and Asia. Not to mention it allows a base for a gorup that will happily let Al-Queda sit in. Something that NW Africa really wont like with their own personal fight against Al-Queda bases in their states.
I agree with you 100%Maybe, just maybe, someone has started to see through the Rwandan guilt tripping and emotional blackmail over their genocide as a cover for their activities in the Congo.The UN is obviously not covered in glory for its totthlessness which is no fault of their own because they are as useful as the major powers want them to be. The reaction by Rwanda and Uganda is interesting in that they revert to the same infantile threats of withdrawing their peacekeepers from wherever they are operating because they are accused of wrongdoing in the Congo.If they are peeved at these allegations why dont they prove them wrong instead of trying to tie in issues to do with Somalia with alleged atrocities in Central Africa.I have not heard any solid defense or even explanation from bot these countries except throw their toys out of the pram.
But how would Rwanda defend itself? If it sent in it's own team then it would be seen as biased. Burundi has made a more acceptable defense though I still dont agree with them yet they dont seem to have threatened to pull out. But no their the only one of the three to defend themselves properly
LOL.The world recognizes TFG as the real and worthy leadership in Somalia the Ugandans should be commended for keeping them safe.
It does matter who pulled the trigger. All men who carried out the attacks were ethnic Ugandans and were angry at America killing Muslims. That was their excuses. :nuts:Attack claimed by Al-Shabab. It doesnt matter who pulled the trigger, you go to the source. You use the term puppet govs for Ethiopia with the west and give the blame to them just as much.
They went to Somalia and ask Al Shabab for a go ahead, Al Shabab said go and do it, Al Shabab isn't able to carry out an attack on Uganda on its own. Those Ugandan men willingly did it by themselves all.
No long term benfit? Somalia has some of the most key ports in all of Africa? Piracy is hurting the east African trade routes between Europe and Asia. Not to mention it allows a base for a gorup that will happily let Al-Queda sit in. Something that NW Africa really wont like with their own personal fight against Al-Queda bases in their states.
It has seems unfortunately that wikipedia has failed you again. :lol:
Al Shabab and Piracy has absolutely no link. Actually in a matter of fact, Al Shabab has stopped piracy in the past. When the Islamic Courts were in power in 2006, they captured pirate ports and practically killed of the profession until 2006-07 invasion. Pirates problem is mainly in Puntland not South Somalia. Brush up on your wikipedia search
Long term it serves them no benefit. Since the war is unwinnable. They will waste resources and people's lives for absolutely nothing. America failed, Ethiopia failed with Somali support, yet somehow unwanted Africans with no support will prevail. Laughable
Well done for tryingIt does matter who pulled the trigger. All men who carried out the attacks were ethnic Ugandans and were angry at America killing Muslims. That was their excuses. :nuts:
So what if a Somali or Ugandan pulls the trigger. They did it for the same cause and for the same organisation. Look behond someones race mate.
They went to Somalia and ask Al Shabab for a go ahead, Al Shabab said go and do it, Al Shabab isn't able to carry out an attack on Uganda on its own. Those Ugandan men willingly did it by themselves all.
Yeah because they cant recruit Somalis? They recruit whoever they want so long as they know they'll do it. I could go into Uganda and do that thing I would do it in Al-Shabaabs orders (for reasons I'm going to say I wouldnt do it obviously). Uganda would know that it was Al-Shabaab, as they later claim it. Now would you attack the UK or Somalia where Al-Shabaab runs almost the entire south or has major influences in the entire south?
It has seems unfortunately that wikipedia has failed you again. :lol:
Al Shabab and Piracy has absolutely no link. Actually in a matter of fact, Al Shabab has stopped piracy in the past. When the Islamic Courts were in power in 2006, they captured pirate ports and practically killed of the profession until 2006-07 invasion. Pirates problem is mainly in Puntland not South Somalia. Brush up on your wikipedia search
Yeah no shit? TFG in power. Pirates lose bases. Same result with Al-Shabaab. I know they dont like pirates. You only need the BBC to tell you that. Also the Piracy section on Wiki doesnt bring any affirmitive link between them and the Terrorists
Long term it serves them no benefit. Since the war is unwinnable. They will waste resources and people's lives for absolutely nothing. America failed, Ethiopia failed with Somali support, yet somehow unwanted Africans with no support will prevail. Laughable
Yeah and what would you do. Oh ok lets have Al-Shabaab over TFG. Apart from the fact that it fucks with Somali lives, it also gives the likes of Al-Queda one big happy family. The next Afghanistan for us to go clear out.
It's impossible to maintain peace in Southern Somalia as long as the people are Pro-Al Shabab or passively accepting them. I say, let them rule until people get enough and then support their enemies. I don't think their extreme views will be accepted by the majority, they will eventually rise against them.
I can't see any other solution.
I can't see any other solution.
May I remind you that Southern Somalia enjoyed a considerable period of peace in 2006 all credit to the Islamic Courts Union, which was led by moderate muslim leaders who formed the majority, as is traditional in Somalia, so it's not 'impossible' to achieve peace there, the population there is not different from the ones in Puntland and Somaliland. The ICU was a grassroots movement that successfully restored stability in that part of the country without 'tanks', and without a US-funded 'proxy army'. It wasn't until the illegal invasion by Ethiopia - a traditional foe - that Al-Shabab the more extreme sub-organisation of the Courts was allowed to rise to prominence, before the illegal invasion their movement and influence was restricted by the moderate majority. It's no suprise then with Ethiopia & Somalia's past history that every Somali person seeing their people being killed started supporting Al-Shabab as they were succesfully battling this occupation army until it was forced to leave.It's impossible to maintain peace in Southern Somalia as long as the people are Pro-Al Shabab or passively accepting them. I say, let them rule until people get enough and then support their enemies. I don't think their extreme views will be accepted by the majority, they will eventually rise against them.
I can't see any other solution.
Al-Shabab in this period enjoyed the good faith of the people, while the TFG lost whatever credibility it previously had, not even Sharif could change this. Al-Shabab is a product of foreign intervention, please own up to this fact, had the invasion never happened this group would still be somewhere on the fringe of society instead of ruling most of Southern Somalia with their alien version of Islam. Let's recap; what exactly did Meles Zenawi achieve with this disastrous adventure? Tens of thousand of his own soldiers dead, tens of thousand Somali civilians dead, and a even greater rift between our peoples while allowing the monster that is Al-Shabab to reign supreme with their Wahhabist wacky antics.
I personally feel sad for the Ugandans/Burundians and others holed up in that tiny patch of land smaller than a football field and then being pounded on every day. They are basically being used as cannon fodder so that their presidents are in the good books of America, their sugardaddy who gives them the military hardware and funding to prolong their own brutal regimes. Most people know the TFG enjoys no domestic support. These AU troops are better served protecting their own citizens in their own countries, the Lord Resistance Army is rampaging through Northern Uganda and is affecting the stability of other countries like Sudan and DRC as we speak, pretty weird to be claiming to keep peace in a foreign country when there is plenty of instability in your own.
Anyways Museveni's blackmail tactics reminds me of Siad Barre sending Somali troops to Mozambique in the 80s to keep peace there and defend the government, while he was massacring his own people. Typical African dictatorial hypocrasy.
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