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just a general thread about sports including dolphins,marlins,heat,panthers,hurricanes and any other that i'm forgetting
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How about some non-Wilma news?

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/12998427.htm

Secret meetings have been held about building a Marlins stadium next to Dolphins Stadium, but a deal won't happen unless the team or Miami-Dade County surprisingly pitches in a lot more money.

Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga has offered to sell a piece of land next to Dolphins Stadium in order for a ballpark to be built. But no deal was struck in a recent meeting involving Marlins president David Samson and top officials from Huizenga Holdings and the county. The Marlins -- who declined comment -- emerged pessimistic.

Discussions turned to that site after it became apparent that a deal would not be reached to build a stadium next to the Orange Bowl. The funding gap for the OB site has grown to $100 million. The gap for a ballpark next to Dolphins Stadium would be less, but not significantly so.

Building a second facility near Dolphins Stadium would help Huizenga if he builds retail shops and restaurants on site, which he has mentioned as an option. Owner Jeffrey Loria remains reluctant to move the Marlins to another city.
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BornInTheGrove said:
Young, fresh blood. And he was a catcher... at least some great coaches were catchers.
And thats about all anyone knows about him. That and he was a bench coach for the Yankees.
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The Mad Hatter!! said:
go dolphins,nice win yesterday that 20million dollar running back actually ran for a hundred years maybe he should get another bonus,haha.

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in other news the heat season is set to begin on the 2nd vs. memphis and espn is having a field day critcizing riley and trying to predict when van gundy will be fired.

SO WHEN WILL HE BE FIRED?
Van Gundy will be fired when Riley gets the urge to start coaching again.
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SDK4 said:
If the Heat fire Van Gundy, then they would be making a big mistake. There's a reason Pat Riley isn't the coach anymore. He's a great coach, but don't fire him to put Riley back in.
it wouldn't be "them" firing Van Gundy to put Riley in, it would be Riley who has the power to fire Van Gundy and take the job over for himself. I don't think he will but in the off season there were reports that he was itching to get back into coaching again.
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About the Canes game...Wow. I didn't see that coming.
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I heard that too. If they do go through with it, I hope they maintain as much of the "ambiance" of the original Orange Bowl as possible and don't go for the antisepticness of a stadium like Dolphins Stadium. The seats should be right on top of the field. Hopefully since it will still be a college stadium luxuries like levels and levels of luxury suites and the big spaces between seats like you see at NFL caliber facilities will not be necessary. College games have the entertaining atmosphere they do precisely because they lack these luxuries.
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http://www.nbc6.net/sports/5433658/detail.html#

Miami Considers Proposal To Tear Down Orange Bowl
Facility Suffered Damage During Hurricane Wilma

POSTED: 8:56 am EST November 30, 2005

MIAMI -- The city of Miami is considering a proposal to tear down the historic Orange Bowl stadium.

The stadium, which was built in 1936, suffered structural damage when Hurricane Wilma hit South Florida on Oct. 24.

Miami City Manager Joe Arriola said city officials have not discussed the proposal with the University of Miami, which uses the stadium for its home football games.

Arriola said officials are concerned about the structural integrity of the stadium. City officials could decide to make repairs to the facility or tear it down.

At a game on Oct. 29, just days after Wilma, UM fans were moved from the upper deck of the stadium as a safety precaution even though city officials deemed the facility structurally safe after Wilma passed through.
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What were we saying a couple of months ago about Riley returning as coach? The Heat has called an 11AM press conference to announce Riley is returning at head coach.
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Dale said:
OMG ! What's gotten into the Dolphins ?! Throwing the ball all over the place, scoring points, beating good teams.

One gripe: Why does anyone play the 'prevent defense' ? The fins went soft while up 23-13 allowing SD to rocket down the field, setting themselves up for an onside kick recovery, which Miami fortuantely recovered. Play to the whistle man.
Now that they know they wont make the playoffs (the Patriots would have to lose every game and the Dolphins win every game from here on out) they can win a few games to make sure they don't get a good draft pick. Typical Dolphins.
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I couldn't see Hialeah coming up with the $100 million or so that the City of Miami couldn't.
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I don't see this getting done as it appears Hialeah would be willing to give up land but not additional money (basically less than was in Miami's package). The Hialeah racetrack does have the advantage of being across the street from a metrorail station but then again, its in Hialeah.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/13752019.htm

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL
Marlins, Hialeah discuss ballpark

The Marlins and Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina met for the first time to discuss Hialeah as the site of the team's new home. But a deal is far from certain.

BY REBECCA DELLAGLORIA AND BARRY JACKSON
[email protected]

Hialeah may not look a lot like Wrigleyville in Chicago, but Marlins President David Samson told Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina that he can see Florida's fifth-largest city as the home of a future Wrigley Field.

During an hour-long meeting Monday, the two discussed potential sites -- but not funding.

''We were very pleased the mayor was very excited with the possibility,'' Samson said.

Robaina proposed two locations where the stadium could be built: on the grounds of the Hialeah Park racetrack and on the site of the former Peerless Dade Landfill in an undeveloped area of the city, west of Interstate 75 and the Florida Turnpike. Both sites are privately owned.

''It was a good first meeting. We looked at both sites and there's an interest in them,'' said Robaina.
Samson, Robaina said, described Hialeah as a ''vibrant city,'' with ''established neighborhoods,'' much like the northside of Chicago, where the Cubs play.

Robaina said he has not spoken with either Armando Codina, who owns the landfill site or John Brunetti, owner of the racetrack, but wanted to see if either site was suitable for the team.

Codina, who was traveling, confirmed through a spokesperson that ``no one had discussed the matter with him.''

Both Brunetti and Codina are seeking to develop their properties, which each contain more than 200 acres. Parts of the storied race track are listed on the National Register for Historic Places, which protects it from renovations. Robaina said the available land is enough to accommodate a stadium.

The mayor added he would not support any form of public financing by city taxpayers to fund stadium construction. If Hialeah does not cover a piece of construction costs, however, a significant funding gap would remain.
Samson has said a stadium would cost $430 million if it opens by the team's new target date of 2010. In order for that to happen, the Marlins would need ``to have everything going forward in the next five months.''
The Marlins have said they will play at least two -- but no more than five -- more years at Dolphins Stadium.
Previously, Miami-Dade County pledged $138 million toward the stadium if it had been built on land adjacent to the Orange Bowl -- an idea that is no longer being considered. But it's unclear if the county would offer that amount for a Hialeah site.

The Marlins have offered $210 million, mostly through rent payments. That would leave a funding gap of about $80 million.

While the Marlins and the county have failed in previous attempts to get a $30 million state sales tax rebate from the Florida Legislature, Robaina said he would like to give it another try.

''If the deal comes down to it that they've got to be a part of it, you better believe we will be up in Tallahassee to get this done,'' Robaina said.

Samson said the county has discussed pursuing the sales tax rebate again, but would ''want a deal put together before they go back'' to Tallahassee. ''We would not be involved,'' Samson said.

In the meantime, the team and city will do traffic studies and site studies on each of the Hialeah locations to see if either is feasible.

The Marlins also have discussed building a ballpark on Wayne Huizenga-owned land next to Dolphins Stadium, but Samson said there has been ''no conversation'' with Huizenga Holdings officials in several weeks. He stopped short of calling that proposal dead.

Samson said he also intended to speak with Homestead officials about their interest in luring the Marlins to a 10,000-capacity baseball stadium once used by the Cleveland Indians during spring training. Homestead Mayor Roscoe Warren said the city manager met with the Marlins once, several months back, to express the city's interest, but that nothing materialized.

''From our perspective, we think it would be the perfect location for the Marlins,'' Warren said of the $20 million city-owned facility. ``The foundation is certainly there. It wouldn't take them that long to do.''

Samson said people have called about ''private sites in North Broward'' but that no meetings had been scheduled.
Meanwhile, the Marlins continue to explore relocation. They already have visited San Antonio and Portland, Ore., and will tour as many as five other markets by April, Samson said. Those markets are expected to be Las Vegas, Charlotte, N.C., Monterrey, Mexico, northern New Jersey, and Norfolk, VA.
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BornInTheGrove said:
Why is bicentennial park looked at unrealistic again??
They already gave it to the Museum of Science and the Art Museam. Also if I remember correctly the last time they tried to put it in Bicentennial they talked about having to move Biscayne Blvd a little to the west to accomodate it, now there are some tall condos of note going up that might not want to move over.
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