Southern Ireland isn't a country...

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Gherkin

Discussion Starter · Jun 17, 2009

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1596

Surely it must be changed to "Republic of Ireland"

My Irish friend won't join the forum unless it is changed! He runs the walking tour of Dublin ( www.dublinwalkingtour.com ) so would be a useful forumer! :banana:

The Republic of Ireland is never called "Southern Ireland"

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citybus

· #2 · Jun 17, 2009

It is sometimes called Southrn Ireland, though is more commonly reffered to as 'down south', 'the south', sometimes even 'the free state' (from people in Northern ireland). Likewise people from the republic often call Northern Ireland 'up north', 'the north' etc. I have heard English people call the South 'Eire'.

You can't say that it's never called Southern Ireland. You're friend is being pedantic, most of his compatriots wouldnt care at all.

Remolino

· #3 · Jun 18, 2009

Never heard of the Republic of Ireland being called Southern Ireland.

Afterall, there are parts of the Republic of Ireland that are North of Northern Irelands most northern point. And there are also parts West of Northern Ireland.

See Map: http://www.scotland-tours.com/images/physical-map-of-ireland.gif

And I do not think the OP's friend is being anything. It seems Southern Ireland can be kind of insulting to some people. It is has if you were incinuating that there were always two Irelands when that is not true.

Has you can see going back to 1100 there was only one Ireland:
http://www.lehman.edu/lehman/irishamericanstudies/imagebank/Pre-1100 map.gif

Seems sort of like North and South Korea. Korea has 5000 years of history. It is ancient. Korea was divided into generally three or four small kindoms. In the year 660 one Korean kingdom conquered most of the peninsula and they all united has one. Ruling Dynasties changed and the Japanese conquered them in the early 20 century but they stayed united until 1945 when they were divided on the 38 parallel. Thats almost 1300 years that they were united has one people. 64 years of being separated cannot just wipeout those 1300 years of being together.

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Gareth

· #4 · Jun 18, 2009

Remolino said:
And I do not think the OP's friend is being anything. It seems Southern Ireland can be kind of insulting to some people. It is has if you were incinuating that there were always two Irelands when that is not true.

I don't see how it insinuates that at all, particularly if Northern Ireland doesn't insinuate the same thing. How about when people say northern England?

Awayo

· #5 · Jun 18, 2009

Like so many words and expressions in Ireland, it is loaded with political connotations. As a rule only northern unionists tend to call the republic "Southern Ireland". Nationalists call it "the south" and people from the republic refer to "the north", as this usage implies two parts of the same country. Unionists like "Southern Ireland" partly because it doesn't so much. Note also the "Southern Ireland" was the name given by the British to their proposed constitutional solution of two home nations, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland, both with parliaments and both with the Queen as head of state. This set up and the name itself was of course rejected by what was to become the republic. "Southern Ireland" is therefore to a republican mindset a name imposed by the colonial oppressor. No wonder unionists like to use it. The official name of the republic in English remember is simply "Ireland".

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NorthLimitation

· #6 · Jun 19, 2009

Okay, political issues aside, the country's official name is the Republic of Ireland, so I believe it should appear as:

Republic of Ireland / Éire

Awayo

· #7 · Jun 20, 2009

No it isn't. Read my post.

NorthLimitation

· #8 · Jun 20, 2009

Sorry, Wikipedia is such an asshole :no:

Ireland / Éire

Lostboy

· #9 · Jun 21, 2009

Just as the Balts have their own forum transcending official government boundaries so should the Celts. A Celt forum should be set up constituting Scotland (but not occupied Norway), Wales, Cornwall, Ireland (the island of), Mann, Brittany and Galicia and this forum should simply be renamed the English Forum. We should then sever all contact and links between the two forums.

NorthLimitation

· #10 · Jun 22, 2009

Lostboy said:
Just as the Balts have their own forum transcending official government boundaries so should the Celts. A Celt forum should be set up constituting Scotland (but not occupied Norway), Wales, Cornwall, Ireland (the island of), Mann, Brittany and Galicia and this forum should simply be renamed the English Forum. We should then sever all contact and links between the two forums.

Oh shut the **** up, my family is from 'occupied Norway', and it celebrates both its Scottish and its Nordic roots, so stop trying to sound informed on issues you have no idea about. Caithness and Orkney have completely mixed with the rest of Scotland, the only 'Nordic' part of Scotland you might have a case for is Shetland and even it is happy being part of Scotland.

I think you should be banned, troll.

Gareth

· #11 · Jun 22, 2009

I think Lostboy should move to the Nordic forum.

NorthLimitation

· #12 · Jun 22, 2009

:yes:

The Nazi Forum is still awaiting completion after all.

bigchrisfgb

· #13 · Jun 22, 2009 (Edited)

Can I ask, why some from the Czech Republic is interested in some sort of Celtic forum or super nation and Scotland becoming apart of it and breaking away from the UK?

I mean to be fair he goes on about it like it effects him, and tells people from these places why they should. I'm sure people like NorthLimitation and others from the Glasgow Sub-Forum know more about the subject and the impact it will have on their own lives and why they are for or against it. And I'm sure thats why they asked him not to post on there anymore.

But then again we can't leave him out, I here the sound of a Lostboy thread so he can rant on about whatever he wants.

Paws

· #14 · Jun 22, 2009

Lostboy said:
Just as the Balts have their own forum transcending official government boundaries so should the Celts. A Celt forum should be set up constituting Scotland (but not occupied Norway), Wales, Cornwall, Ireland (the island of), Mann, Brittany and Galicia and this forum should simply be renamed the English Forum. We should then sever all contact and links between the two forums.

Thats brilliant. Lostboy, these are just forums on a skyscraper website, not diplomatic relations with North Korea.

But you actually think this shit matters don't you? Scary.

NorthLimitation

· #15 · Jun 23, 2009

I just think that it's incredible that he has the nerve the talk about Orkney and Shetland.

belfastuniguy

· #16 · Jun 30, 2009

Gareth said:
I think Lostboy should move to the Nordic forum.

I think Lostboy should **** off period.

It may be strange to those not living on the island of Ireland, but Northern and Southern Ireland are perfectly acceptable and common here, with people both North and South. It's a non-issue tbh unless you INCREDIBLY pedantic. Most people here are perfectly happy with 'up North' or 'down South', used everyday and not an issue with us.

As someone stated, Republic of Ireland is not a country, its not the name by which the Irish Constitution names Ireland, it's simply Ireland. I shall not go into the history. but suffice to say, Northern and Southern is fine and should be left be

I quote

In 1989 the Irish Supreme Court rejected an extradition warrant that used the name "Republic of Ireland". Justice Walsh ruled: "if the courts of other countries seeking the assistance of this country are unwilling to give this State its constitutionally correct and internationally recognised name, then in my view, the warrants should be returned to such countries until they have been rectified

odlum833

· #17 · Jun 30, 2009 (Edited)

I think it should be Republic of Ireland. It would help IMO to get more people posting. "Southern Ireland" sounds condescending much like "Eire" or "Irish Republic" - the 1st because it ignores geographical realities illustrated by a poster above - the 2nd because you don't use a different language to describe a country whilst using your own country's language (for example we don't call Germany "Deustchland" on a regular basis in English) - and the 3rd, god knows where that came from.

It should be called "Republic of Ireland" - that would suit everybody IMO.

belfastuniguy

· #18 · Jun 30, 2009

odlum833 said:
I think it should be Republic of Ireland. It would help IMO to get more people posting. "Southern Ireland" sounds condescending much like "Eire" or "Irish Republic" - the 1st because it ignores geographical realities illustrated by a poster above - the 2nd because you don't use a different language to describe a country whilst using your own country's language (for example we don't call Germany "Deustchland" on a regular basis in English) - and the 3rd, god knows where that came from.

It should be called "Republic of Ireland" - that would suit everybody IMO.

That's not the name of the country though....read your constitution.

Northern Ireland is the Legal term for Northern Ireland, while the Irish state is Ireland. The forum is used primarily....say 90% if not more by those living on the island, we all know the difference. No need to change it.

It's hardly condescending when Irish people visiting Northern Ireland use it ALL THE TIME. ffs

odlum833

· #19 · Jun 30, 2009

Well, living here I think most would be happy with "Republic of Ireland" rather then "Southern Ireland"......we could also call it "Ireland" but that would confuse those from outside.

Call it "Republic of Ireland"....that is what we here want to call it. I don't think anyone from the 26 counties that posts here wants "Southern Ireland".

As for Irish people "visiting" Northern Ireland.....people there are entitled to Irish citizenship and many take that up - bare that in mind. They are not exactly "visitors" - are they?

NorthLimitation

· #20 · Jul 1, 2009

I must admit, being an outsider I don't have a true grasp on the sitatuation, but I have never heard the Republic of Ireland being called Southern Ireland and at best, it sounds like a geographical discription - kind of like calling the Highlands of Scotland, 'Northern Scotland'.

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