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Este es el nuevo proyecto para el estadio del Real Madrid:
This is the new proyect for Real Madrid Stadium:






Y este es el nuevo estadio para mi ciudad, Palencia:
And this is the new stadium for my city, Palencia:



 

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Si, es retractil
Esto es tan solo un proyecto, todavia no hay fechas.
 

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Some of the pictures on the Spanish thread
eli said:
Nuevas fotos en la web de Lamela























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eli said:
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the airport
Thanks dewback ;)

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Bueno, ahí va alguna foto más de la web de AS:

Plantilla y autoridades en la zona del primer equipo




Vestuario del Castilla


Gimnasio del primer equipo


Sala de hidroterapia


Sauna (junto a ésta tb hay un baño turco)


Sala interior de calentamiento con césped artificial


Fachada de la zona del primer equipo


Señaletica


Sala de prensa


Sala de convivencia


Desde la cubierta del edificio del primer equipo, carpa donde se celebró la inauguración
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This is only the 20% of the Real Madrid's City, 120 hectares (300 acres?) of pure football.
 

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Thats actually better than a lot of football stadiums in some countries. Probably most of Central, South America and Africa.

How is Real Madrid's debt going? They better hope that an Athletico or Barca supporter doesn't become Governor of that bank. ;)
 

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Training Centres

Here in Brazil we have a lot of good training centers... some of them are maybe better than a lot in Europe.

Big clubs like Cruzeiro, São Paulo, Atletico Paranaense have great areas for football.

Some pics of Cruzeiro Training Center (called "Toca da Raposa")
Luis Felipe Scolari and Wanderley Luxemburgo work there.










 

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eli said:
It's great!!!
And what about a new Flamengo's training complex project by Niemeyer? It's true?

Its true! But is a legend. Flamengo is one of the poorest teams in Brazil.
In the national league this year, he is only 19º. If they finish in that position, they will play the second division in 2006.

They have 20 million fans, but is very bad administrated.
Their debt is aprox. 180 mi dollars.

A training center (they dont have one today) is important. But they have more problems.

If you look the standings of the league today, 2003 and 2004 you will see that the bests clubs have more structures, and low debts.
Today, the biggest clubs in Brazil: Cruzeiro, Sao Paulo, Santos, Atletico Paranaense and Internacional.

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Atletico Paranaense Training Center


Sao Paulo Training Center

 

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Santos is a big club and Corinthians is not a big club?
I am afraid that my knowledge about the brasilian championship is very small...
 

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BobDaBuilder said:
How is Real Madrid's debt going? They better hope that an Athletico or Barca supporter doesn't become Governor of that bank. ;)
Real Madrid's current debt = 0€
 

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Real Madrid's current debt = 0€
Yep. They're fortunate to have a city council that was happy, a few years ago, to pay way over the odds to purchase the land upon which Real Madrid's old training ground stood. Wiped out Real Madrid's huge debts in an instant!
 

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Yep. They're fortunate to have a city council that was happy, a few years ago, to pay way over the odds to purchase the land upon which Real Madrid's old training ground stood. Wiped out Real Madrid's huge debts in an instant!

Well they did sell some land the same way many other clubs have and will in the future.What's your point.
I remember an angry Atletico Madrid supporter telling me that Real Madrid is the club of the government or the rich.Where as Atletico were the working mans club.Ha,ha,ha.I've yet to see any of these so called working class clubs feed the poor.
They are all the same unjustifiably over rated clubs run by corporations.Be it the governments club,the working clas club etc.....It's all the same bullshit.
 

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Well they did sell some land the same way many other clubs have and will in the future.What's your point.
I remember an angry Atletico Madrid supporter telling me that Real Madrid is the club of the government or the rich.Where as Atletico were the working mans club.Ha,ha,ha.I've yet to see any of these so called working class clubs feed the poor.
They are all the same unjustifiably over rated clubs run by corporations.Be it the governments club,the working clas club etc.....It's all the same bullshit.
Kind of misses the point.

It's well known that a few years ago (before Real Madrid started splashing out tens of millions on the likes of Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo etc, if I remember correctly) Real Madrid had huge debts. Then the Madrid City council saved Real by paying a huge sum to buy their training ground. It was a big scandal because everyone knew that the council had paid far, far too much for the land. In effect, they were bankrolling a football club with the public's money.
 

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I would never talk about things that I do not know, you should do the same thing. Though my english is very very limited, I am going to try to explain what I want to say in a best possible way.

THE COUNCIL DIDN'T PAID ANYTHING TO REAL MADRID!!!!!!, ok?
After this sentence, everything what you have said does not mean anything. You lost the moral authority to talk about Real Madrid.

Madrid's Council and the region of the Comunidad de Madrid (CAM) did not pay anything, they re-qualified part of the land of the old training center (it was a sport area and turned into edificable area) and they obteined 1+1/3 of the four skyscrapers that are going to be constructed in that place. Only four skyscrapers because Real Madrid, and as consequence of this agreement, obtained fewer edificability that was corresponding to him and obtained less than all the rest owners of the neighborhood that also was in the same case; even being the first owner there 50 years ago when it was an area out of city (now is in a privileged situation).
Two towers and the 64'3 % of the third one was from Real Madrid, the rest from this one for the CAM and the fourth one for the Council. Each one sold this patrimony the way they want to do it. Real Madrid got 90.000 million pesetas (less than 550 millions euros), the Council and the CAM 40 000, and the Estate obteined the third part of these 130.000 in taxes. The city earned 60.000 square meters of green zones and a new incredible financial center.
The place will turn into one of the most emblematic tertiary complexes in Europe, at a the level of the Defense, the Docklands or the Postdamer Playz; in representation, volume of business and importance.
The agreement was approved by practically all the political and social institutions: PP, IU, UGT and CC.OO, the Managerial Organizations and the Federation of Residents Associations. An operation of this type was never realized by so many transparency and political and social support.

You said "they're fortunate to have a city council that was happy, a few years ago, to pay way over the odds to purchase the land upon which Real Madrid's old training ground stood". I repeat, nobody paid anything.
The operation "Old Training Ground" was a success for all the parts and a Harvard business case study has been made (the second one that this prestigious University dedicates to Real Madrid during the mandate of the current president, Florentino Pérez).
One year ago "someone" that is not capable to expel his eternal complex of inferiority (we all know the name of the club even they kept in the anonymity) denounced illegalities of Real Madrid, of the CAM and of the Council in the sale of the land, to the Comisión Europea (CE). A few weeks later the CE not only reaffirm the legality of the operation but they praised the cleanliness of this one.
 

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Also you should know that the Barcelona sold lands that the Council of Barcelona re-qualified; twice in the Barcelona's history. During the dictatorship of Franco and again a few months ago. But the operations neither were so successful nor were done by the extreme cleanliness of Real Madrid.
The Atlético wants to do the same thing with the stadium, a land that for the Council is not very strategically important but sure that they will give green light to the operation.

This is very funny, Atlético de Madrid claims that Alcorcón's council (close to Madrid) gives them 130 hectares. You wrote "they were bankrolling to football club with the public's money", that's a good example. They will give them many hectares that had been destined to the enjoyment of the people in these council. The residents in Alcorcón are not going to receive anything. This is what you call a "big scandal"
The area of the new Real Madrid Training Ground does not a gift, Real Madrid bought this 120 hectares land negotiating one to one and directly with the many little owners of the land.
Real Madrid bought these area in 2001 paying 2' 53 millions euros (what a reserves player costs) but due to the privileged situation and the presence of a prestigious club like it is Real Madrid, the land nowadays costs 361'45 millions euros (5 Zidanes, the most expensive football player of the history of football). When the things are done by cleanliness and from the legality, the luck is with you.
 

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The madridistas can agree more or less with the sports policy of the current president Florentino Pérez but what we cannot criticize him it is the dedication, effort, honesty, cleanliness, legality ... with the one that leads the club. And he does it with generosity, dedicating his valuable time without receiving anything because he is not the owner of the club, the onwers are the 80.000 members who fill every Sunday the stadium and all the white supporters in the world.
Probably in the past, Real Madrid could be as the rest of the clubs of the world that believe they can live out of the law with impunity. But during the last 5 years the supporters of Real Madrid Football Club can feel proud because Real Madrid is different from the rest we will not see related to anything turbid or illegal for a long time.

Real Madrid is the best club of the world and this generates many rumors and lies surround him everyday. The supporters are accustomed and already we do not answer to these assaults but there are moments in which you feel that is a personal attack.
I hope that you have understood me and do not return to talk about things that you do not know.
 
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