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SUBTERRANEAN NEWCASTLE - Victoria Tunnel, Quayside Railway Tunnel, and all aspects of 'Newcastle under the surface'

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Earlier this year I went on one of the tours of the Victoria Tunnel run by the Ouseburn Trust. It's something I've always wanted to do, and found it very interesting, despite the guy giving the tour trying his damnedest to bore us. Seriously, I don't know why they would pick someone with such desperate lack of social skills to lead a walking tour, which apparently he does all over Newcastle. Anyway, there was another bloke from the OUseburn Trust there, who was considerably more interesting, and he was saying that when the renovation/ construction work on the Hancock Museum was underway, the design team asked the Trust if they would like to get into the upper part of the Victoria Tunnel to have a look around. The Trust said 'Yes please', and did some investigations up there. In case you don't know, there are entrance doors to the tunnel just below the Museum on Claremont Road. After the Trust had had a good look around, the Great North Museum team said something along the lines of "Would you like to pay for us to put some nice new doors on that?" The Trust said no, don't be silly, and there's a general feeling that the museum missed a trick by not incorporating the historical mine tunnel/ air raid shelter that runs almost below the building into the scheme. Sorry, that seems a bit rambly now I read it back, but the guy was a bit rambly....
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Over the years I've heard so many 'tales' about tunnels running underneath Tyneside that you would think we were a region of moles!

Thing that i always keep in mind is that to build a tunnel, expense and man hours required, you have to have a REAL reason for it.

Here are some that I've heard and that I can recall:

1. CENTRAL POST OFFICE - opposite St Nicholas's Cathedral - there IS a tunnel linking the Post Office to the Central station for the movement of mail in days gone by! If I remember correctly there was also a miniature railway in this tunnel.
Steve is this somehow connected to the rooms under the platforms you can get a glimpse of when you cross the under platform tunnel from 2 to 3 (or the old platforms 8 and 9 if you're a child of the 70s and 80s like me!)?

I found it really fascinating under there and hardly anyone uses it!

F

p.s. thanks for the info on Ouseburn Culvert Steve. I've seen the pics from 28dayslater and I've gotta say those dudes are brave for going into there!
A little comparison, using Google Earth's historic imagery

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2008



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It is not wholly accurate due to the slightly differings from which the pictures were taken, so very very hard to line up accurately, but the tunnel entrance appears to be almost due south of the eastern end of the church and slightly to the east of the turning circle.
I may be thick but I still can't work out where the tunnel is :nuts:

Could someone who can circle it or something?

I thought it ran along where the new houses are, is it called Tyne View? But it sounds like you're saying it was further down closer to the river? Was there much of a track once it came out of the tunnel or did it stop abruptly cos I'm having trouble seeing any on those old pics. :eek:hno:

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I may be thick but I still can't work out where the tunnel is :nuts:

Could someone who can circle it or something?

I thought it ran along where the new houses are, is it called Tyne View? But it sounds like you're saying it was further down closer to the river? Was there much of a track once it came out of the tunnel or did it stop abruptly cos I'm having trouble seeing any on those old pics. :eek:hno:

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The tunnel entrance was just below TYNE STREET which is more or less the row of houses you can see. The part of the map which is vegetation or should I say, landscaped, is where the tunnel and rails came out onto the Quayside.

The track linked up with the railway system which operated all along that part of the river frontage. Remember that it's purpose was to move goods between the Quayside and the Trafalgar Street Goods Warehouse.
Steve is this somehow connected to the rooms under the platforms you can get a glimpse of when you cross the under platform tunnel from 2 to 3 (or the old platforms 8 and 9 if you're a child of the 70s and 80s like me!)?

I found it really fascinating under there and hardly anyone uses it!

F

p.s. thanks for the info on Ouseburn Culvert Steve. I've seen the pics from 28dayslater and I've gotta say those dudes are brave for going into there!
Not too sure about the Central Station and my book on it is up in my office, in the loft and am unable to climb the ladder with only one leg. However when I was in the Station a few weeks ago did notice that the lifts at the East end - close to where the Coast Trains used to terminate are now no longer in use. Perhaps these are the one's that led to the tunnel you mention?

As to access to the Culvert, only recommended if you are fully kitted out with helmets, torches and gas detector. There are some big holes in the flooring so it's not the safest of places. Also wouldn't recommend a visit on your own as you never know who might be in there.

Of course the kids of the area have used it as a play area for scores of years with their lighting taking the form of a lit rolled up newspaper. Goes with the traditional "bravery game" for kids in the area to traverse the Byker Railway Bridge by taking the underneath route!
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There's another tunnel in the Ouseburn, albeit a very short one. It runs under Ford Street and joined two sites for Maling Pottery on either side of the street. The site to the north is now Shepherds Scrapyard, and the site to the south is the former Ince Bros. factory now occupied by Raskal woodworking.

The tunnel was used to transport partially finished (and delicate) pottery from one compound to another. It was also used as an air raid shelter for workers in the area in WWII.

It was blocked up shortly after WWII, but was reopened when there was a planning application for student accommodation on the Ince building site in 2007. I had a brief look in and took some photo's - I'll try to dig them out and put them on here.
Never heard of this tunnel before but could well imagine the need to move delicate pieces of pottery about under cover.

If you could dig the photographs out, I for one would be grateful to see them.
Not too sure about the Central Station and my book on it is up in my office, in the loft and am unable to climb the ladder with only one leg. However when I was in the Station a few weeks ago did notice that the lifts at the East end - close to where the Coast Trains used to terminate are now no longer in use. Perhaps these are the one's that led to the tunnel you mention?

As to access to the Culvert, only recommended if you are fully kitted out with helmets, torches and gas detector. There are some big holes in the flooring so it's not the safest of places. Also wouldn't recommend a visit on your own as you never know who might be in there.

Of course the kids of the area have used it as a play area for scores of years with their lighting taking the form of a lit rolled up newspaper. Goes with the traditional "bravery game" for kids in the area to traverse the Byker Railway Bridge by taking the underneath route!

I take my (safety?) hat off to those guys. I'm fascinated by all things subterranean but not sure whether I have enough courage to go down there, I suppose with a group of experts it wouldn't be so daunting.

I remember when I was a kid attempting those sorts of "double dare ya" jaunts to culverts and underground parts of Hexham (usually around the old reservior) but I was usually the one that went in a little bit, behind everyone else, and then bottled it :lol:

F
Not too sure about the Central Station and my book on it is up in my office, in the loft and am unable to climb the ladder with only one leg. However when I was in the Station a few weeks ago did notice that the lifts at the East end - close to where the Coast Trains used to terminate are now no longer in use. Perhaps these are the one's that led to the tunnel you mention?
I'm not sure about these, were they in the grey structures that look like signal boxes (and probably were)? I gotta admit that when I started to use the trains from the central that area was the old platform 1 to 4 before most of those were taken away.

You should really have a look down that tunnel, you can get it from the middle of the ticket office building facing the platform to just next to the lounge on the other side, it's ostensibly for disabled passengers or mum's with pushchairs but your "one leg" might be a good enough excuse! Of course nowadays you'll need either a ticket or a pass to get onto the platforms boo!

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I'm not sure about these, were they in the grey structures that look like signal boxes (and probably were)? I gotta admit that when I started to use the trains from the central that area was the old platform 1 to 4 before most of those were taken away.

You should really have a look down that tunnel, you can get it from the middle of the ticket office building facing the platform to just next to the lounge on the other side, it's ostensibly for disabled passengers or mum's with pushchairs but your "one leg" might be a good enough excuse! Of course nowadays you'll need either a ticket or a pass to get onto the platforms boo!

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Yes that's them - good description.

Cannot say I've seen the lift in the area that you describe but will take a butchers the next time I'm there :eek:kay:
Grainger Market Air Raid Shelter

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but the 2nd World War Air Raid Shelters still exist in the GRAINGER MARKET - Western end you can see the slots in the stone floor where they are.

Check out this site for some old film of the shelters and also one on TURNERS PHOTOGRAPHY shop in Pink Lane which was discussed on one of the threads recently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nationonfilm/topics/shopping/markets.shtml
Found this on the Newcastle City Council / City Libraries PHOTOSTREAM Website. Victoria Tunnel Map, circa 1900 . . .



http://www.flickr.com/photos/newcastlelibraries/4076834849/in/photostream/
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I may be thick but I still can't work out where the tunnel is :nuts:

Could someone who can circle it or something?
Have circled in the pics, so scroll back up and I hope this makes it clearer to you :)
Have circled in the pics, so scroll back up and I hope this makes it clearer to you :)
Thanks much better :cheers:

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Benwell Drift

Just to add to this discussion - there is also BENWELL DRIFT which is still visible (or at least the exit) which is just down from Paradise on Scotswood Road - on the stretch down towards the Scotswood Bridge.

A couple of scans from the City Councils Minutes of May 1941 that show the Drift was under active consideration to be converted into a Deep Air Raid Shelter on the same basis as the Victoria Tunnel. However the poor condition of the tunnels structure made this impossible.



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Just to add to this discussion - there is also BENWELL DRIFT which is still visible (or at least the exit) which is just down from Paradise on Scotswood Road - on the stretch down towards the Scotswood Bridge.
Here? Knew I had driven past it before. Even has a blue plaque. Any idea what it says?
Here? Knew I had driven past it before. Even has a blue plaque. Any idea what it says?
Is this the one?





P&T Image Archive, NCC

Cheers
GBDT
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Is this the one?
P&T Image Archive, NCC

Cheers
GBDT
Now that comes as a bit of a surprise as I had always assumed that this was the BENWELL DRIFT unless of course this is just a shortening in name from the SCOTSWOOD DELAVAL DRIFT?
Deffo Delaval Drift, it stood next to Ida Street.Reeds Cranes took over the site.
According to the Durham Mining Museum web site, it was known as "Delaval Benwell Colliery"

Link to pit details: http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/d005.htm

link to map of grid reference: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&s...6332,-1.674514&spn=0.006824,0.021007&t=h&z=16
There's another tunnel in the Ouseburn, albeit a very short one. It runs under Ford Street and joined two sites for Maling Pottery on either side of the street. The site to the north is now Shepherds Scrapyard, and the site to the south is the former Ince Bros. factory now occupied by Raskal woodworking.

The tunnel was used to transport partially finished (and delicate) pottery from one compound to another. It was also used as an air raid shelter for workers in the area in WWII.

It was blocked up shortly after WWII, but was reopened when there was a planning application for student accommodation on the Ince building site in 2007. I had a brief look in and took some photo's - I'll try to dig them out and put them on here.

From my recollection, the tunnel is just to the east of the articulated lorry parked on Ford Street on this google aerial photo:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ouseburn&sll=54.961614,-1.673334&sspn=0.009363,0.027788&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Ouse+Burn&ll=54.973094,-1.588554&spn=0.000585,0.002248&t=h&z=20
so was the entrance in the lower level bit on Hume St opposite Quay Timber?
Scotswood Drift is another subterranean feature on Tyneside was the Drift Mine in Scotswood that was owned and operated by the ADAMSEZ company, they of bathroom product fame.

Now I don't know exactly where the drift was located but have vivid memories of a tunnel entrance, more or less opposite Scotswood Bridge - see view below. The tunnel has in recent years been covered over.



The drift mine was licensed to The Adamsez Ltd for the main purpose of mining "saggar clay", a small amount of coal was also mined which was used in the works to heat up the kilns.

Adamsez were producers of all sorts of fired clay products, such as toilets pans, wash basins etc, and the clay from the Scotswood Drift was used in that very process. Adamsez had their production site at Fireclay Works, Scotswood on Tyne, just to the West of Scotswood Bridge.

As an aside, do you know where the Adamsez name came from?, it was due to the fact that this was a family firm, with all of the Directors having the surname Adams!

The Kitty Drift is another mine, further to the West of The Scotswood Drift.

The Kitty Drift was opened up in the early 1800's as an underground waggonway from Kenton Colliery to the staithes at Scotswood. During its construction coal was also mined so it had a dual purpose. So it isn't only the Victoria Tunnel that was used to transport coal "underground".

The Kitty Drift was also used by The Montague Pit Complex to transport coal from the Caroline's Colliery (the one in Denton Burn) to the screens at the closed View Pit.

Evidently the Kitty Drift had a huge Steam Winder which used to haul the coal tubs for something like 3 miles - this was replaced in the 1930's by a 250 horsepower electric winder.

It also turns out that other drift mines were sunk and angled to intercept the Kitty Drift in order that the coal mined could be easily transported.

Just before the complex was closed it was reckoned that The Kitty Drift and its associated other drift mines had a rope haulage system that in places was 6 miles long.
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