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looks like they're about to start renovations on terminal 1. i wish they'd just build a brand new terminal instead of renovating it tho. actually i wish they'd build a brand new airport. i looked at a map of ttia. it's right by the sea and there's some land between the airport and the coast. the land isn't dense and filled with alot of buildings and residents so relocating what's there should be easy. why cant they just buy the land there and build a whole new airport on the site? it's cheaper than reclaiming land from the sea and building a man-made island the way japan and hk has done. taiwan needs to think ahead, think big and go all out the way other asian countries have been doing.


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from taipei times

Airport set for renovations

By Liu Li-jen and Tao Chieh-hsiu
STAFF REPORTERS
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008, Page 2

Dozens of water containers are placed on the floor in Terminal II at Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport to capture water from a serious leak on Sunday.
PHOTO: YAO CHIEH-HSIU, TAIPEI TIMES

Costing more than NT$30 billion, the third terminal of Singapore's Changi Airport has opened, and in order to compete, the Cabinet and the Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA) will invest five years and NT$2 billion (US$60 million) to revamp the Taipei Taoyuan International Airport (TTIA).

In the last 10 years, new airports in Asia including Incheon in Korea, the new Hong Kong International, and the New Bangkok International have attracted the attention of the international aeronautics industry.

New airports provide more comprehensive transport facilities for passengers and goods, increased capacity and an increased competitive edge for the host country.

Last month, the Cabinet approved plans for renovating important transport gateways in Taiwan, and Terminal I of TTIA received a budget of NT$1.4 billion.

The existing building will be flanked on the east and west sides by new wings and will increase in area by about 13,000m2. The volume of travelers will increase from 12 million to 15 million annually and the new wings will be partially naturally lit, with nighttime light sculptures as a decorative addition.

Another NT$6 million will be spent on enlarging the main lobby, replacing the passport check counters, adjusting passenger traffic flow, improving earthquake proofing, renewing electrical wiring, upgrading airconditioning and sanitation facilities, expanding separate lanes for buses, building a bus stop and connecting the airport to the MRT.

Norihiko Dan and Associates, a Japan based architectural firm, submitted the winning entry for the renovations in a contest held by the Tourism Bureau in 2004.

Fan Hsiao-lun (范孝倫), a team leader of the CAA's Aerodrome Engineering division, said that Terminal I at TTIA will undergo renovations while remaining operational, making the process complicated. The renovations are likely to take place at night during off-peak hours, he said.

A Ministry of Transportation and Communications official said that compared to other neighboring countries, Taiwan has under-invested in its airport.

Asides from investment in hardware, there needs to be an advantageous operations environment, the official said. TTIA's volume is supported by China Airlines and EVA Airways, and ranks sixth in Asia. However, with China's expansion, Taiwan is increasingly threatened. Passenger traffic also requires more tourism, the official said.

As for criticism against the airport, manager Lee Tsang-huang (李燦煌) said that TTIA is taking part for the first time in evaluations by Airport Council International (ACI), and results will be released next February or March.

"I am confident of Taipei Taoyuan International Airport's potential," he said.

In international aeronautics, there are two evaluation bodies: ACI and Skytrax.

Last year, the media erroneously reported that TTIA came 85th in Skytrax evaluations, however TTIA did not enter the competition.

Lee said that TTIA had continually upgraded its hardware, including a new flight time display board for travelers. He said he does not believe that TTIA will perform poorly in ACI's international competition.

The CAA said that comparing TTIA to other airports is unfair, as TTIA is 30 years old. Furthermore, TTIA has the same basic design as Washington's Dulles International Airport and was one of the largest airports in Southeast Asia at the time, attracting visitors from other countries.

Commenting on leaks at TTIA recently, CAA officials said they were caused by construction by the Bureau of High Speed Rail and by typhoons which broke window panes.

Lee said that Taiwan has the unique challenge of typhoons and earthquakes, which occasionally cause leaks in windows.

"We've been doing our best to improve [the situation]," he said, reiterating that compared to airports constructed around the same time, such as Los Angeles, Paris, Dulles and Rome, TTIA is no worse off.
 

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i looked at a map of ttia. it's right by the sea and there's some land between the airport and the coast. the land isn't dense and filled with alot of buildings and residents so relocating what's there should be easy. why cant they just buy the land there and build a whole new airport on the site? it's cheaper than reclaiming land from the sea and building a man-made island the way japan and hk has done. taiwan needs to think ahead, think big and go all out the way other asian countries have been doing.


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The government already owns the land to the east of the existing airport between the runway and the high speed rail line. With the slow growth of passenger traffic a new airport isn't really needed as it'll be several years before the current airport's passenger volume is anywhere near capacity.
 

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I kind of wish TTIA would have a more consistent design. First off they have Terminal 1, which is borrowed from the 1960's design of Washington Dulles, and then they have Terminal 2, which can only be described as Count Dracula's Taiwan vacation home (at least from the outside). I like the amenities that TTIA has, including free Wi-Fi, lots of duty-free shopping, and a nice, clean look (at least in Terminal 2), plus the future MRT line. But the exterior designs are just fucked up! Who designed the airport anyway? And why is there only two lanes (in each direction) on National Freeway No. 2?

However, I really like the layout of the airport and I do think there is potential. Building a completely new airport is a complete waste of money that we could use for airport expansions and such.
 

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I haven't been in Terminal 1 ever since Terminal 2 was constructed because I always fly Eva. I personally think Terminal 2 looks better than any American airport I've been in and that's a lot since my sister likes to get me on cheap transfer flights. (Philadelphia, Newark, Minneapolis, Chicago, LAX, SFO, Dallas, Houston)

Terminal 2 does need better food courts though and more shops around the gates.
 

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I kind of wish TTIA would have a more consistent design...But the exterior designs are just fucked up! Who designed the airport anyway? And why is there only two lanes (in each direction) on National Freeway No. 2?
that's why a new airport should be built so it can look something like this:





how about not waiting for passenger traffic to fill capacity, but just to build a world class airport and architectural marvel? and maybe if they do that it will attract more international passenger traffic. incheon airport is already surveyed by skytrax as one of the world's top 10 airports and a big part of that is because it's a superbly designed sleek looking airport with top amenities and shopping.

you cannot build an airport like incheon at existing TTIA. you cannot renovate the 2 existing terminals so that they have a consistent design. that's why i think a whole new airport should be built next to it and a foreign architect should be hired like those who designed bangkok's, incheon's, narita's or changi's airport. cuz clearly taiwanese architects who designed terminal 2 can't design crap.
 

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Let's remember that SK has twice the population of Taiwan; Incheon serves as the single international gateway for nearly 50 million people. In this case an amazing architectural marvel has its merits.

I'm rather in favor of putting a little more money and attention into Taoyuan and it will be a pleasant experience. A huge and prohibitively expensive airport without a sustained passenger flow is going to be little more than a money drain. Guangzhou Baiyun is one such white elephant, although the strong regional growth is helping.
 

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but singapore and hong kong's populations are much smaller than taiwan's yet they have much bigger passenger traffic and bigger airports. that's because the governments there do a great job advertising their cities as transportation hubs and they invested in airport infrastructure to back it up. so i dont buy the small population excuse.
 

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that's why a new airport should be built so it can look something like this:




you cannot build an airport like incheon at existing TTIA. you cannot renovate the 2 existing terminals so that they have a consistent design. that's why i think a whole new airport should be built next to it and a foreign architect should be hired like those who designed bangkok's, incheon's, narita's or changi's airport. cuz clearly taiwanese architects who designed terminal 2 can't design crap.
Hmmm, Incheon Airport almost has a similar layout to Sea-Tac (here in Seattle).

I'm sure we would all like a new airport, but is that really feasible? Should the government pay for something that already works instead of funding something more important (like an efficient sanitation system)?
 

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but singapore and hong kong's populations are much smaller than taiwan's yet they have much bigger passenger traffic and bigger airports. that's because the governments there do a great job advertising their cities as transportation hubs and they invested in airport infrastructure to back it up. so i dont buy the small population excuse.
It's not advertising, Singapore and Hong ARE global transportation hubs. Taoyuan has only one European carrier, no flights to Africa nor South America, and infrequent service to the Middle East and India. The difference between Taoyuan and HK/SG is that despite their relatively small size Hong Kong and Singapore have managed to build on their status as regional business centers into realizing the goal of also becoming regional transporatation hubs. Building a new airport will not make any difference, KL and Guangzhou have proven this point. What Taiwan needs to do is renovate the interior space and redesign the exterior landscaping, which is exactly the vision of the original "gateway project". A package of better lighting, furnishings, and amenities in the terminals coupled with the introduction of more trees and green areas in and surrounding the surface parking areas is all that is needed.

What we need:
Public art
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=82580415&size=l
New lighting and flooring for the aprons
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=82580581&size=l
New seating
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=818272313&size=l
new jetways
http://www.flickr.com/photos/individual8/1795019643/

Current Surface Parking:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/CKS_Airport_Terminal_Two.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/CKS_Airport_Terminal_One.jpg

Solution:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1789887599&size=l
 

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Yes I do agree there's no point in building a new airport. There are other more important things that we don't need to spend money building a new airport just for our aesthetic pleasure.
 

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I'm just curious; does anyone even go to the nearby aviation museum? Seems like a lonely place to put a museum...
I've been - it's not bad inside, though there seems to be a few too many scale models and not enough of the real thing! It does give a pretty good overview of Taiwanese aviation though.

As for T1, I'm with the renovation crowd on this one. It will take a huge amount of time and money to transform CKS into a major hub such as HKG, BKK or SIN - they're better off renovating the interior of T1 and adding more shops and food outlets in T2, while continuing to improve the transport connections from the airport.
 

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For those who haven't been following the long road toward renovation, below is a rendering of the proposed project.

Current T2


Renovated T1


 
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