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Teen actor in upcoming 'Harry Potter' film killed

By Adam Lusher and Patrick Sawer
Last Updated: 10:19PM BST 24/05/2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/



Robert Knox, 18, who acted alongside Daniel Radcliffe in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, became the 28th teenager killed in Britain this year, and the 10th in London to die from stab wounds.

Relatives said his role as Marcus Belby in the film, due for release in November, was set to launch his career as an actor.

Mr Knox was a member of the same rugby club as Jimmy Mizen, the 16-year-old "gentle giant" fatally stabbed in nearby Lee, south-east London, two weeks ago.

In a statement, Rob's parents, Sally and Colin Knox, said: "Rob was kind and thoughtful and would always help out others – he would always spend his last penny on other people instead of himself. The life and soul of the party, he was very outgoing, loved sports, and would always strike up a conversation with people.

"He was respectful to others and adored by all his family and friends. He was an asset to the family."

The murder will reignite a debate about youth crime, knives, and whether the criminal justice system is working. Figures obtained by The Telegraph show that out of more than 60,000 people prosecuted for possessing knives since 1997, only nine have been given the maximum jail term.

The Home Office and Boris Johnson, the new Mayor of London, have introduced measures including police stop-and-search and knife scanners at schools, pubs and clubs, in an attempt to curb their use. Yet the Children's Commissioner for England claimed yesterday that such measures could fuel resentment.

Sir Al Aynsley-Green called the increased police powers "contentious" and told the BBC: "There is a balance here. On the one hand for young people to feel safer by having the presence of the police – but on the other hand making sure the new powers don't create further antagonism by increased stopping and searching."

Mr Knox, a grammar school boy, is understood to have been fatally stabbed after trying to save his 16-year-old brother, Jamie, from a man armed with two knives.

The man began attacking drinkers outside the Metro bar, next to Sidcup railway station, south-east London. Witnesses said that the attacker had earlier been thrown out by bouncers, but returned in the early hours with several friends.

Tarik Ozresberoglu, 17, a trainee steel worker, described how he tried to stem the flow of blood from Mr Knox's wounds then rugby-tackled the attacker into submission.

He said that he was chatting to Rob when the attacker appeared. "He pulled out two wooden kitchen knives at least 6in long from his waistband, and said 'Who's going to make my day then?'

"Girls were screaming. Jamie, Rob's brother, came over and said 'a boy has pulled a knife on me'. I held Rob back, but he pushed me out of the way and said 'he's threatened my little brother'.

"Rob was angry, but he's never started any trouble in his life. I think he just wanted to protect his younger brother. Rob went up to the bloke, who stabbed him four times.


ABOVE: Friends of Mr Knox in tears in Sidcup this evening

"Rob stumbled back, lifted up his top and we saw the blood seeping from his wounds.

"I took my jumper off and tried to wrap it round Rob's wounds. Then as I was trying to do that, I saw the guy was still stabbing people. I told my friend Charlie Grimley, who had also been stabbed, to look after Rob. Then I ran over to the bloke and rugby-tackled him into a bush."

Struggling to control his emotions, Mr Ozresberoglu added: "I might have felt a hero if Rob was still here, but what I did is never going to bring Rob back. I might have saved more people from being stabbed but Rob still isn't here."

He said he thought Mrs Knox was allowed to hold her son in her arms as he lay dying on the pavement. "She was just crying and crying, sobbing 'why my Rob?'."

A number of drinkers were hurt, including Dean Saunders, 21, Nick Jones, 19, Mr Grimley, 17, and 16-year-old Andrew Dormer. Russell Wood, 21, said that he saw Mr Saunders stabbed in the neck three times .

Mr Wood said: "This guy started accusing everybody of nicking his mobile phone. He made me turn out my pockets. The bouncers chucked him out. But the next thing we knew this chap was outside with about five of his mates. Everybody just tried to get the knife off him and in the process, it seemed, too many people got stabbed."

Mr Grimley described how Mr Knox went to his rescue after the attacker "pulled out two knives and said 'Who wants this?'"

"Rob was just trying to look out for his mate," said Mr Grimley. "My stab wound had fractured my cheek bone. Rob saw me get stabbed, tried to get the knife off the bloke and was stabbed himself."

Mr Knox's father, Colin, was for many years the junior chairman of Sidcup Rugby Club, where Danny Mizen, Jimmy's brother, was a captain. Danny Mizen said last night: "My thoughts are with his family."

Kevin May, 42, Mr Knox's uncle, said: "Where's it all going to end? When is this violence and the carrying of knives by young people going to stop? Something's got to be done. Two stabbings in two weeks is too much."

A spokesman for Warner Brothers, the makers of the Harry Potter films, said: "We are deeply shocked by the news and our thoughts and sympathy are with the family."

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "A man aged 21 has been arrested on suspicion of murder. He is being held in custody. We do not believe the incident is gang-related."
 

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That film is cursed.
 

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Crime is really bad in London, I lived there for 4 years. It's the softly, softly approach from the police and courts, forced upon them by the government that has done it. I've been to plenty of bad places around the World and Australia, I was a sailor so we often ended up in the shaddiest spots, I also lived in Kings Cross Sydney for years, with never any trouble. Yet for the only times in my life, I was mugged twice in London.

England has an entire under-class of white trash in what are known as "sink" council estates, and poor immigrants and their descendants who are causing this crime wave. They have no hope, don't bother with an education or career, and know the courts and police are hamstrung, so why not rob, rape and murder.
 

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Crime is really bad in London, I lived there for 4 years. It's the softly, softly approach from the police and courts, forced upon them by the government that has done it.
Really? According this report on Lateline:

Britain's prison population has doubled since 1993 to more than 81,000...Britain has the highest prison population in western Europe. For every 100,000 people, 148 are in jail. Compared with 125 in Australia but an overwhelming 750 in the United States.
Doesn't sound like stats from a government not getting tough. It sounds like a government not dealing with the causes of crime and instead opting for a simple solution to the political problem and just locking more and more people up. As you say:

England has an entire under-class of white trash in what are known as "sink" council estates, and poor immigrants and their descendants who are causing this crime wave. They have no hope, don't bother with an education or career...
So the authorities getting tough (according to you, it's not tough enough) the social conditions these people live under aren't going to change at all? Too bad for them they can't ship all their working class to Straya now.
 

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Crime is really bad in London, I lived there for 4 years. It's the softly, softly approach from the police and courts, forced upon them by the government that has done it. I've been to plenty of bad places around the World and Australia, I was a sailor so we often ended up in the shaddiest spots, I also lived in Kings Cross Sydney for years, with never any trouble. Yet for the only times in my life, I was mugged twice in London.

England has an entire under-class of white trash in what are known as "sink" council estates, and poor immigrants and their descendants who are causing this crime wave. They have no hope, don't bother with an education or career, and know the courts and police are hamstrung, so why not rob, rape and murder.
Serious crime is not really bad in London thankfully. The murder rate of London is 2.1 per 100,000, a figure that I believe Australian cities all come higher in. On the whole, crime is falling in London, and despite living most of my life in Britain and travelling to London nearly every weekend I have never once been a victim of crime. However, I've been a victim of crime three times in my short time in Auckland, does this automatically mean that crime is worse in Auckland than London (though the murder rate is higher here funnily enough)?

Also, according to latest Metropolitan Police statistics, crime on the whole has been falling across Greater London with only a few regions actually reporting an increase in crime across a year (and a marginal increase at that). Violence has been falling and thus I would ask you to back up your statements with hard facts before making such sweeping generalisations.

Yes, England has an underclass, and it's definitely something we're not proud of. Immigrants and white trash are the lucky ones who inhabit the sink estates as you so rightly said, yet technically poverty has been decreasing as a whole across the UK so at least the situation isn't be exacerbated, more it's being tackled.

I'd also like to point to this.
 

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I haven't had any problems in London so far, i have only been there a couple of months, i live in near Notting Hill near Hyde Park which is a nice area

What happened to you in Auckland?, i have heard that west and south Auckland are the largest areas for crime.
 

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I haven't had any problems in London so far, i have only been there a couple of months, i live in near Notting Hill near Hyde Park which is a nice area

What happened to you in Auckland?, i have heard that west and south Auckland are the largest areas for crime.
I'm actually in an affluent part of East Auckland (Howick). The three events are:

#1. Theft from car of digital camera and mobile phone.
#2. Drunken youths attempting to get into car (thankfully I only unlocked one door of the car and reversed off quickly after they started hammering on the car).
#3. Textbook theft at University - it was stolen during a lab so I know that someone in my undergrad year was a thief as all the departmental textbooks were checked (and mine had a name and address in it).
 

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There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

My beliefs are based on living around Hammersmith and Shepherds Bush for 4 years. Maybe I read the Daily Mail too much, but I definitely was aware of the high chances you had of running into trouble in London late at night. Yes it happens everywhere, but I know it was worse in London than anywhere else I've been. With the way police crime reporting is massaged, I wouldn't trust too much of any "percentages down" reports.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ow-Labours-soft-justice-cost-2-500-lives.html
 

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feel sorry for the kid
 

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i agree that there are social issues that need resolution to help reduce anti-social and criminal behaviour but i also believe that you need a two prongued approach in that you look into, and deal with, the social issues and that you also have extreme penalties to act as both a deterent and punishment to get these people off the streets to make them safer.
 

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I lived in London for two years and the only trouble I even came close to was in Brixton. And that was nothing.

I have walked around areas of London at night, in the middle of the night, often by myself from the city to Fulham. I obviously avoid the dodgy areas I know of if I can.

But this guy was a lunatic and what shits me is what did the fucking security guards do who are hired to protect patrons? They are trained in this kind of shit so what were they doing?
 
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