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The '24 Hour' myth exposed

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Tell me I'm wrong. I'd love someone to tell me I'm wrong. But the evidence doesn't stack up. Where is our 24 hour city? Where is our city to rival Barcelona and Milan? Maybe one day it will happen but for now are we, our politicians, and our style-gurus just kidding ourselves?

I've been a big fan of Manchester for 25 years now, watching the changes and the regeneration. For much of that time I had shift working patterns, often with days off during the week and so I have been able to observe the city at work and at play around the clock, noting its differing moods. I got to love the city during the day in the week - no chavs, no gum-chewing teenagers, a pleasant bustle of working people going about their business, retired or part-time people browsing the shops. These days I'm a 'nine to fiver' which means like most professional people in the 21st Century, I rarely get away from work before 6 in the evening and it can be much later. Because I don't work in town my time there is now limited to weekends and evenings. My impression of Manchester has changed markedly with that. Saturdays are a nightmare - chavs everywhere, shops overcrowded, parking difficult. I welcomed the annuncement last year that most city centre shops would be staying open until 8pm Monday-Saturday. Anything to avoid the hideous, fake, sanitised world of the Trafford Centre. Yesterday evening then (Tuesday), I left work deliberately early and got into town by 5.30 to find hardly any shops open after 7 pm. Some claim to be open until 8 on Thursdays (Wow!). The streets and restaurants of the great city were almost deserted except for a few vagrants. Most of the city's population have melted away into the suburbs as the sun dips towards the horizon. But where are the much-vaunted city dwellers who are supposed to have brought life and community teaming back into the centre of town? It seems that they are tucked up in front of the TV in their stunning lofts, having microwaved the meal-for-one which they bought after work from Sainsburys Local.

It's very difficult to buy that simple metropolitan pleasure, a cup of coffee, after 7 or 8 at night when the last shops have closed. Starbucks and co have pulled the shutters. Have you tried to order a coffee in the evening from a bar and experienced the blank, slightly puzzled expression? 'We've switched the machine off' 'Oh. Would it be too much trouble to switch it back on again?' 'Sorry we don't do coffee after 8 o'clock'. Grinch on Chapel Walks obliged - excellent place. The main thing you can do in Manchester of an evening is drink alcohol in one of the many bars, or on your own. Which brings us nicely round to Friday and Saturdays. Yes, do we know how to drink alcohol! The streets are certainly bustling and lively at the weekend! Throngs of people stagger along the pavements, inappropriately dressed for our weather. Bawling, brawling and vomiting. Oh, and yes...spot the person over 35 years old. You'll be lucky! In Barcelona or Milan meanwhile, people of all generations will be strolling the streets every evening, shops and restaurants will be open and bustling, people will enjoy alcohol without behaving like savages. It isn't just the Siesta thing either - Northern European cities have much the same experience.

I'm saddened and disappointed that despite all the many wonderful improvements which have taken place in Manchester since the early eighties, the city has not fundamentally moved forward culturally. It is still very much at heart an English provincial town, shunned by the middle-classes who merely cherry-pick it from the suburbs, dead most evenings, and plagued by rowdiness and ugliness at weekends. The only times when it has a feeling of a continental city is in the run up to Christmas, when shops do stay open into the evenings and families come in to look at the lights and stroll the outdoor markets (which are mainly European!). Perhaps the permanent ferris wheel will help.

Hate it though I do, I'm likely to be at the Trafford Centre after work. Even if I get away late from the office I can relax knowing that there's plenty of time, and I can park easily and free. And Starbucks is open.
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Tell me I'm wrong. I'd love someone to tell me I'm wrong. But the evidence doesn't stack up. Where is our 24 hour city? Where is our city to rival Barcelona and Milan? Maybe one day it will happen but for now are we, our politicians, and our style-gurus just kidding ourselves?

I've been a big fan of Manchester for 25 years now, watching the changes and the regeneration. For much of that time I had shift working patterns, often with days off during the week and so I have been able to observe the city at work and at play around the clock, noting its differing moods. I got to love the city during the day in the week - no chavs, no gum-chewing teenagers, a pleasant bustle of working people going about their business, retired or part-time people browsing the shops. These days I'm a 'nine to fiver' which means like most professional people in the 21st Century, I rarely get away from work before 6 in the evening and it can be much later. Because I don't work in town my time there is now limited to weekends and evenings. My impression of Manchester has changed markedly with that. Saturdays are a nightmare - chavs everywhere, shops overcrowded, parking difficult. I welcomed the annuncement last year that most city centre shops would be staying open until 8pm Monday-Saturday. Anything to avoid the hideous, fake, sanitised world of the Trafford Centre. Yesterday evening then (Tuesday), I left work deliberately early and got into town by 5.30 to find hardly any shops open after 7 pm. Some claim to be open until 8 on Thursdays (Wow!). The streets and restaurants of the great city were almost deserted except for a few vagrants. Most of the city's population have melted away into the suburbs as the sun dips towards the horizon. But where are the much-vaunted city dwellers who are supposed to have brought life and community teaming back into the centre of town? It seems that they are tucked up in front of the TV in their stunning lofts, having microwaved the meal-for-one which they bought after work from Sainsburys Local.

It's very difficult to buy that simple metropolitan pleasure, a cup of coffee, after 7 or 8 at night when the last shops have closed. Starbucks and co have pulled the shutters. Have you tried to order a coffee in the evening from a bar and experienced the blank, slightly puzzled expression? 'We've switched the machine off' 'Oh. Would it be too much trouble to switch it back on again?' 'Sorry we don't do coffee after 8 o'clock'. Grinch on Chapel Walks obliged - excellent place. The main thing you can do in Manchester of an evening is drink alcohol in one of the many bars, or on your own. Which brings us nicely round to Friday and Saturdays. Yes, do we know how to drink alcohol! The streets are certainly bustling and lively at the weekend! Throngs of people stagger along the pavements, inappropriately dressed for our weather. Bawling, brawling and vomiting. Oh, and yes...spot the person over 35 years old. You'll be lucky! In Barcelona or Milan meanwhile, people of all generations will be strolling the streets every evening, shops and restaurants will be open and bustling, people will enjoy alcohol without behaving like savages. It isn't just the Siesta thing either - Northern European cities have much the same experience.

I'm saddened and disappointed that despite all the many wonderful improvements which have taken place in Manchester since the early eighties, the city has not fundamentally moved forward culturally. It is still very much at heart an English provincial town, shunned by the middle-classes who merely cherry-pick it from the suburbs, dead most evenings, and plagued by rowdiness and ugliness at weekends. The only times when it has a feeling of a continental city is in the run up to Christmas, when shops do stay open into the evenings and families come in to look at the lights and stroll the outdoor markets (which are mainly European!). Perhaps the permanent ferris wheel will help.

Hate it though I do, I'm likely to be at the Trafford Centre after work. Even if I get away late from the office I can relax knowing that there's plenty of time, and I can park easily and free. And Starbucks is open.
Nobody in england goes for a coffee at 8pm mate... if there was a demand for it I'm sure all the coffee houses would be open.
Why is coffee a metropolitan pleasure but having a beer the pasttime of the devil?
We want to rival european cities, not copy them.
Its a cultural thing innit?
And a weather thing.
I agree with roverman .... think what he is saying is that there is not much choice of things to do late night in manc if you dont wanna eat or have a drink. I would love just one of the coffee shops to open late in the city centre.... i am sure there is a demand but no one has ever tried it, which really surprises me... especially in somewhere like canal street or northern quarter....

sorry to say but look at london .... a street like Old compton street where you can have coffee at 4am in the morning and the places are rammed... so there is a market in britain for this type of opening hours. When i lived in the city i really craved for something to do in the evening that wasn't drinking or going to the cinema or eating out. popping out for a coffee at 9 o'clock to read the paper would have been great. but try finding somewhere it aint happening! Manchester is a great city but it could still be so much more... i am sure it will come eventually... just hope i'm not 60 by the time it happens.
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sorry to say but look at london .... a street like Old compton street where you can have coffee at 4am in the morning and the places are rammed... so there is a market in britain for this type of opening hours. When i lived in the city i really craved for something to do in the evening that wasn't drinking or going to the cinema or eating out. popping out for a coffee at 9 o'clock to read the paper would have been great. but try finding somewhere it aint happening! Manchester is a great city but it could still be so much more... i am sure it will come eventually... just hope i'm not 60 by the time it happens.
The reason London’s west end is busting with non-pub based entertainment is because it is full of those aforementioned European types, theatre goers and tourists in general. Remove them, and it’d be the same as Manchester (obviously a bit busier) and they’ll all catch still the last tube home at 12:30.
British cities are boring full stop. I dread getting old in this country because you basically only see groups of kids out at night and they are catered for appropriately.

Roll on retirement in a latin city, ANY latin city.
good post roverman. The Longford; weather is just an exuse, winter in places like Madrid and Milan are far colder on average than palces like Manchester; more snow and often torrential rain rather than mild drizzle. Besides, English people, as roverman rightly points out, wear short shirts 'n' skirts be it the middle of August, or the middle of January. Cooperman, its nothing to do with beer being the drink of the devil and only slighltly to do with "copying European cities." Fact is; most UK city centres turn into "watering" holes for the 18-30 crowd, some of whom drink more "water" than they really need. True, not every person out at night turns into a violent, booze-fuelled thug, but you have to admit that there are plenty of those out and about. Look at me, I sound like the Express now! I don't think that there is anything to be ashamed about if we want to "copy" other European cultures and make our city-centres at night more inclusive places which families, couples and more elderly citizens can also enjoy.
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The only way non-piss heads can claim back the city centres is to do so en-mass. Our Christmas markets do this very well, but generally its pretty much an impossible task.

The council could set out an area/street of the city centre and market it as an evening place for more civilised folk. Any establishments of any type on this street would have to open late, but not revolve entirely around getting leathered. You could have coffee shops, restaurants, an indoor craft market, some live classical music (a great chav deterrent) etc.

I think you could do this with the fire station. It’d need an atrium in the centre to make it year-round but generally it would be a kind of upper class printworks. All units of the bottom floor would be some sort of shop, coffee shop or restaurant, with seating spreading throughout the courtyard, perhaps with the small market in the middle. Stick you chav busting classical musicians in the corner and you’re away.

Britannia would have their hotel in the upper floor, its near the new hotel area of town, plus its easy for people to nip into on their way home via the train station.
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I for one dont want a 24 hour city. I could never really see the attraction.
I suppose London is 24hour-ish and its a fucking nightmare. Never a minutes peace night or day.
You see these great old movies from the 50s showing London at night with hardly a soul about . Bliss!
I like the night time because its quiet and nothing is open.
I think we should have a curfew
....with armed soldiers enforcing it
....and i can be one of them.

Go to bed the lot of ya!
I would call London an 18hr city or even 16hr city.

Manchester's a 12hr city.
Where is our city to rival Barcelona and Milan?

I've been a big fan of Manchester for 25 years now.
LOL
I would call London an 18hr city or even 16hr city.

Manchester's a 12hr city.
Not so. The city centre is busy from 8am - 12midnight roughly. That's 16 hours.
Probably because nobody can get home after 2230hours, unless you are a student and live in Fallowfield.
Probably because nobody can get home after 2230hours, unless you are a student and live in Fallowfield.
Yes it does help living within the Oxford Road/Wilmslow Road corridor.
Probably because nobody can get home after 2230hours, unless you are a student and live in Fallowfield.
No idea what your on about. I worked in town till 11 everynight for afew months and never had a problem getting home. Apart from around Christmas when for afew days everything seemed to end early. Also anyone who goes out at 7am will know the roads are already packed.
It's a work in progress, what is it, 20,000 people in the city centre now, as opposed to like 6 15 years ago?
I'm a little fed up of hearing how supposedly wonderful Barcelona and Milan are. It's a tired cliche.

The centre of Barcelona is certainly a great place and very lively, but at night it can also be very intimidating and dangerous. Many pickpockets and other unsavoury types roam Las Ramblas. And if you head out of the city some of the flats and developments in the suburbs make the old Hulme crescents look desirable.

As for Milan, very over-rated. My wife and I wandered for hours looking for a decent restaurant. No discernible night life we could spot. And once again the poverty was there for all to see in the suburbs.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against these cities and they do boast some wonderful attractions, but they are not Nirvanas of 24 hour living. Far from it.

Now Madrid I did like of a night-time. Much better than Barcelona if you ask me.

Anyway, I got a pint in the Moon Under Water at 11:30 after Roger Waters on Monday night, and that will do me!
Not so. The city centre is busy from 8am - 12midnight roughly. That's 16 hours.
If you mean pubs and restaurants then every town and city in the country is a busy from 8am till midnight.

Galleries, museums, bookshops, supermarkets, chemists, cafes. they need to stay open too.

What Britain misses is the cafe/bar. Now if Cafe Nero could sell beer as well.
Sorry, but the worst thing of all is that no Pizza Hut or Dominos will deliver because apparently there's no market for it!!
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