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Come on, you know you wanna. "Shout, SHOUT, let it ALL out!" Anywaaay, let it off your chest! Each of you name three things you just LOVE to HATE about your respective shitty city!

Yet i just dont want bitching, i wanna hear solutions too... :lol:

Lemme start, Indianapolis HMMM. As much as i love this rad town there are a few things that i just dont uhm... Dont love so much. Here I go.

1) Public transit obviously. How can we fix that? They are implementing transit talks like all the time now & it seems as tho we're finally getting somewhere on this! Oh yeah, street cars would be pretty damn hardcore too...

2) Trees, trees, TREES! We need to live up our title as "City of Trees" sure the 'burbs have a plethora of them but our DT needs to have em too... My suggestion, is each year take a half dozen or so vacant lots or parking lots. Then pave GRASS over them & plant a fair share of trees & flowers too... This would work WONDERS for property values!

3) Architecture quality anyone? Sure, our architecture aint THAT bad... But that's also the problem, it's not THAT great! Many cities our size have a fair share of shitty high rises but have jazy ones to help subset it! While our skyline has its fair share of pretty good skyscrapers. Yet PRETTY good isnt always so pretty...

ROCK ON!! :rock:
 

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public transit

hidiouse stacks south of the statehouse

lack of balls on the city council
 

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i think we can remove public transit from these lists of gripes because that one is kinda automatic for every single midwestern city. even chicago, with arguably the best PT system in the midwest, is still friggin 3rd world compared to the standards of other industrialized nations.

our nation simply doesn't "get" public transportation......... maybe when gas is 10 bucks a gallon...... maybe.......
 

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The idiot drivers. I was nearly hit today by somebody running a red light and speeding and it would have been a serious wreck. He missed me by inches.
 

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Cincinnati:

• Lack of a good public transportation system.

• Bars here stop serving at 2:30-3:30 a.m. ... I hate that.

• We need a marina directly in front of the city and ...

• We need the Banks Project started for crying out loud!

• Better retail options downtown (dining is moving right along).
 

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PAINT THE DAMN BRIDGE.

Shut up about 8664. It can't work.

Hurry up and get some retail DT. Supposedly it will happen this year, but we haven't heard squat here on our little forum.

Lets see steel rise for some of our major projects(RiverPark Place, Museum Plaza, the arena), and lets wrap up the ones that have been taking FOREVER. (Waterfront Park, Ali Center)
 

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Problem: The hatred and problems caused by the state line.
Solution: Kansas should annex the western half of Missouri.

Problem: No permanent tenant for the Sprint Center.
Solution: KC should steal the Sonics or Hornets.

Problem: No downtown baseball stadium
Solution: Bill Gates should fund a downtown ballpark and scrap the plans for the Kauffman renovations.

:cheers:
 

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Where I am now: Buena Park.

Too much of the city's tax revenue base on ONE thing: Knott's Berry Farm. No real downtown for a city of more than 80K. Highest building is only 9 stories. even my original hometown less than 1/2 the population has FOUR higher building (Wausau, WI). Buena park has a district called 'Buena Park Downtown' which l=is similar to Rib Mountain shopping area in Wausau with a mall. Alot of the stores are the same.

Buena park does have the shoot tower at Knott's like 300 feet high. It shoots you up and then you like bounce.

The next door neighbor city Anaheim has more than 300K population and the downtown compares unfavorably to Wausau.

I guess they are all considered suburbs of LA though

Since this is a MIDWEST thread, I will attempt to bitch about my hometown of Wausau, WI

Bitch about Wausau? NO large electronics stores yet (out here we have Fry's electronics), too much going to SUPERSPRAWLOPOLIS known as Weston. No Outback Steakhouse or Red Lobster yet. Gotta goto Green Bat for Red Lobster!!

Praise about Wausau. Slowly creating a downtown that I am even proud of living here in California. TEXAS ROADHOUSE!!!!
 

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Rate of Violent Crime


  • Mayor recently gave his blessings for the CPD to be more agressive with offenders)

Lake Effect snow If you get 15 miles south of Downtown there may not be a flake to be seen, but in the northeastern sectin you could have a foot.

  • Put a large tarp across Lake Erie between November and March.

Shopping downtown Tower city has a good amount of national chains and is actually one of the healthier downtown malls, but downtown retail still needs work.

  • With 2 projects going in that will include 1.5 million square feet of retail, I think its only a matter of time before that turns completely around.

Euclid Avenue between East 55th and East 93rd. What was once a street heralded MORE than New York's 5th Avenue, has descended into almost a ghost town between these two points.

  • A bus rapid transit line is being installed, which could(is) spur(ing) development.
 

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TOLEDO:

1. Too many prostitutes and strippers. Finding a "good girl" is getting increasingly hard, though I think girls in Toledo tend to be very attractive, particularly the plethora of Polish, Lebanese, Hungarian, Syrian, and Mexican girls. There is a lot of variety at least.

2. Too many thugs. Toledo has massive chapters of Bloods and Crips.

3. Too much drug dealing (actually, that does keep pot prices down:) ). At least the murder and rape rates in the city are still low compared to the rest of Ohio and Michigan. There are some crime issues, but murder and rape rates are below average for a city its size.

4. Negative attitude is fairly prevelant (this is the same everywhere in Ohio and Michigan).

5. Too many demolitions in the urban core (not recently, but there are still a lot of holes from the 1960's/1970's)

6. Lack of public rail transit. TARTA busing is getting a little better, but the city/metro could use rail again. It had an extensive network all the way up to 1960. All of that is gone today. Even if a fraction is rebuilt, that would be wonderful.

7. Too many surface lots in the urban core (mainly the Uptown and CBD areas). This is a problem in most Midwestern cities I've seen. Infill people, infill.

8. Strong brick/rowhouse neighborhoods that should be gentrified are still majority ghetto (like Vistula, Old South End, La Viva). It's sad the gentrification movement in Toledo has only recently gained ground. I suppose a lack of income is to blame, but some other Midwestern cities (Columbus) have been fixing up for decades (German Village, Short North, etc.). There's no reason Vistula, La Viva, or Old South End can't be the next hip urban neighborhoods in Ohio. Hell, even East Toledo has a lot going for it, and it's still remarkably intact.

9. Lack of retail/grocery in downtown. Downtown only has about one grocery store, and while the retail scene is getting better, a lot more needs to be done. Damn suburbs and big box stores...

10. Nightlife, but not a lack of it. Downtown Toledo has a fairly vibrant nightlife scene now (especially during the warm months), but it is somewhat lacking in variety. Most clubs are 18-24 year-old "meat markets" and the alternative bars are becoming too "yuppified." The increase in nightlife is great to see, but I would like some smaller, more laid-back kind of places, and more nightlife directly on the waterfront (a la Savannah, Georgia which has a similar geography to Toledo).

11. University of Toledo lacks a good public transit link to downtown. They need to get going on the damn rail line that was promised five years ago. Other than that, UT is really turning itself around.

12. East Toledo Marina District. Like Cincinnati's "The Banks", this riverfront redevelopment project has been stalling for years. Build the damn thing!

13. THE ECONOMY. Finding a good job has gotten much harder since 2000. Toledo is heavily investing in biodiesel, ethanol, alternative energy, and rail, but it's going to take a while to turn things around. A lot of people have been laid off at the auto and supply factories since 2000. The city is still struggling to recover. Brain drain is still an issue, and again, this is a problem almost everywhere in Ohio and Michigan.

14. Pollution in the Maumee River/Maumee Bay. Things have gotten a little better, but the water still looks muddy and/or dirty much of the year (especially winter and spring). Runoff is a serious problem whenever it rains. I understand the main source of runoff/pollutants are the farm fields upriver, and something needs to be done to fix that. If water was cleaner, there would be far more tourism in the area, since it's the warmest part of the Great Lakes system. Currently, Maumee Bay, which has the nicest state park lodge in Ohio, struggles due to beach closings. Pollution is a problem at many beaches on the Ohio side of Lake Erie (Canada is much cleaner). The only reliably pretty/unpolluted water is in the East Harbor/Marblehead/Islands area. That also is the hub of Ohio's summer tourism industry. Go figure.
 

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ATHENS:

1. LACK OF DIVERSITY. The city is 90% white, and there are few ethnic dining options. There are just too damn many white suburban kids, most of which wouldn't know good food or music if it came up and bit them in the ass. OU fails to attract diverse students from in-state, and this is an increasing problem at many of the more highly-ranked schools in Ohio. We have a lot more international students, but it'd be nice to see more diversity from America too.

2. LACK OF QUALITY GIRLS/DATING SCENE. This is one of the America's most notorious party towns, so that's a given, but does every girl have to be a slagged-out cigarette smoker with a total lack of commitment to anything but alcohol? And why do so many girls do coke to keep weight off? Almost everyone in this town just gets drunk and hooks up. STD rates are through the roof, and there is little to no honesty here. Despite the sexual "liberation", most girls refuse to make the first move. At least Bowling Green chicks are up front and aggressive...and hotter.

3. Nightlife, but not a lack of it. There are tons of bars, too many bars really, but most fall under "rich kid's meat market" or "hippie hangout." Diversity in nightlife is surprisingly limited in this town despite an endless bar district.

4. SCAM ARTIST LANDLORDS. This is one of the most expenisve places to live in Ohio, and most landlords are terrible. They justify their crappy business practices with "it's a party school," or "we can't trust kids here," but it's really just laziness. The $500 per-person deposits are insane. Total deposits at most places are well over $2000. I understand it's a party town and all, but really, when rent is already insanely expensive, we shouldn't have to throw down such a large deposit. The housing itself is disastrous, and half the places are probably beyond saving. Basically, we pay a lot of money for complete trash. The Athens "student ghetto" is easily the worst in Ohio. Landlords also use sexism when renting. Girls? You can rent anywhere you want. Guys? Good luck...

5. Lack of things to do outside of partying. The town and university are completely dominated by the party culture, and you'd be hard pressed to find people who don't drink or do drugs. If you ever have a medical problem preventing you from drinking, you'll be bored out of your mind. I know from experience.

6. Lack of retail. There is no electronics store, and very limited options for photo supplies (despite OU having one of the nation's top photography programs).

7. Dining. Almost everything is WPS trash or greasy bar food. Other than Stephen's and China Fortune, dining in this town is a joke. On top of that, OU dining halls are amongst the worst in the state of Ohio. The only way you'd gain the freshman fifteen here is through heavy drinking.

8. FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE. Athens water mains break at regular intervals, and boil warnings are way too common. Some streets are literally splitting open at the seams. The bricks are nice, but they need to be maintained better. Erosion is also a serious problem due to the steep hills and artificial re-routing of the Hocking River. There are no trees along the banks for about five miles. The river is hideous in Athens and is muddy 12 months a year (it makes the September Maumee River look clear by comparison).

9. Lack of promotion for the party industry. The town is home to all of Ohio's largest and wildest block parties (Halloween, Palmerfest, Mill Fest, etc.), but you rarely hear a peep about it. Ohio University is in denial, and the administration do all they can to change its image. They're going against 40 years of party school dominance, and I think it's time to sell the school for what it really is- America's first big party school.
 

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Ann Arbor, MI

Horrible roads (probably some of the worst in Michigan)
City council hates highrises after they built a few and ended up looking like crap
 

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^well, after seeing the couple high rise attempts in Ann Arbor, I can't blame them. Besides that, I think Ann Arbor is better suited for European-style development given its academic/cultural standing. IMO, dense low/mid-rises > high rises. The city is already loaded with great low and mid-rise architecture, and I think they should expand on that. Off-campus housing is also quite good from what I've seen (much nicer than where I live).
 

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MILWAUKEE

-Milwaukee Public Schools. An utter disaster. We have one of the lowest graduation rates in the nation--alongside other perrenial screwups like Detroit and Cleveland. And to make matters worse, we have a teachers union that seems bent on keeping it that way. Also take into account these tidbits.

Dozens of teachers, administrators and staff are getting attacked. In the first semester of this school year alone, at least 127 MPS employees reported being physically assaulted by students or outsiders coming to campus.

• Elementary school teachers are falling victim to physical or verbal assaults nearly as much as those in high schools. Close to half the teachers assaulted this year work at elementary or K-8 schools.

• Far more Milwaukee students were expelled for bringing firearms to school last year than in all of the Chicago Public Schools, a district more than four times the size of MPS. In Chicago, unlike Milwaukee, high school students walk through weapons scanners every day, and handguns have virtually disappeared from the schools.

• The number of students expelled and suspended for drugs, violence and weaponshas nearly doubled in the past five years, and many are simply transferred to other schools. Total MPS expulsions have tripled in the past 15 years.

• Police are called routinely to break up fights or deal with other disturbances. Staff at each of the district's 11 large high schools called police about twice a school day on average in the past six months.

-The Ghetto. This city is ghetto...dont let those old socialists, the Fonz, and Harley's fool you. Its ghetto is probally one of the worst in the nation. The murder rate is high. We have made national headlines every year for the barbaric nature of its residents. Even Time Magazine recently had an article about Milwaukee and its inner city woes.

-Poverty. Oddly enough, this city is poorer than New Orleans. Also more suprising is that the poverty stricken in this city have a higher infant mortality rate than that of Jamaica.

-Taxes. They are pretty high.

-Mass transit. Milwaukee is one of the densest cities in the Union, but no rail. What gives?

-Reputation. When will Milwaukee ever be known for something other than 70's t.v. shows?
 

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^well, after seeing the couple high rise attempts in Ann Arbor, I can't blame them. Besides that, I think Ann Arbor is better suited for European-style development given its academic/cultural standing. IMO, dense low/mid-rises > high rises. The city is already loaded with great low and mid-rise architecture, and I think they should expand on that. Off-campus housing is also quite good from what I've seen (much nicer than where I live).
Off campus housing is ok, but highly overpriced. People said good apartments in Chicago were expensive. I laughed when I discovered I was paying more for my rundown unit in Ann Arbor.



I'm surprised Milwaukee doesn't have metal detectors in schools. I would think most major cities would have them.

Related to my first post.

People in Saginaw are getting shot, so the schools have metal detectors and full time security personnel.
 

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:gaah: The beautiful Gateway Arch is tall, ...but we can't seem to find a way to build taller..! It's almost as if someone is gonna miss it and not be able to view it..! :eek:hno:
 

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People said good apartments in Chicago were expensive. I laughed when I discovered I was paying more for my rundown unit in Ann Arbor.

Try living in Athens for a year...you guys up north can't even fathom what "rundown" really means. And we're paying even more money...

I'm surprised Milwaukee doesn't have metal detectors in schools. I would think most major cities would have them.

Yeah, I assumed every large urban district had them (I'm pretty sure Toledo did from what I remember). Milwaukee needs to worry about the schools before anything else. They are nationally known for being pathetic (pretty much everyone in the Midwest at least hears that). While rail would be nice, I think schools have to take priority. Urban schools are weak in most big cities...
 
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