The case of Welkayt.

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ወዲ ትግራይ

Discussion Starter · Oct 12, 2017

Curious to know,
Why do Amhara's believe that Welkayt, Himora, Tselemti and the entire region there belongs to the Amhara region?

I am aware that it was part of the old Gonder province, but upon making the ethnic states, the parts of Welkait that had an Amhara majority were given as woredas in the North Gonder region.
The rest had a Tigrayan majority, so I want to know why it is the case that they believe this?

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Kibret

· #2 · Oct 12, 2017

You should also be curious to know why Addis Ababa belongs to the Oromo region when the majority of the people living in it are not Oromos.

A better question for you to ask is why didn't the EPRDF use a consistent criteria in creating the boundaries of the states. In some cases, current demographics is used, in other cases historical reasons are used.

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The daily

· #3 · Oct 12, 2017

Tell me ur knowledge, about the history and the culture of the people in Wolqite ,humera and see how much convincing you are. You cant trace ur heritage from inda selasse in 30/40 years periode , a poor work immigrant and suddenly you think the land belongs to you.

The culture , language (although most are bilingual ) oral tradition and historical belongings of the Wolqait people have always been part of Gonder and Amhara. but that was not even the saddest thing, after all we are all Ethiopins eko , but this racist regime overwhelmingly neglection of thous people who identified as GOnders , unwilling to offer the kids to teach in amharic , settling thousands of Tigreans in their lands and literally overpassing the indigenous people on all the services of the regional govt. the killings and intimidation of the people. that is the reason why people revolted in wolqait, the revolt did not start in Gonder city, it started in humera and Tegede habibi , there is still problem in humera and wolqait. ask thous people , why they fight, they will gladly tell you. there are wolqait communities throughout the diaspora , go and ask some of them!

sine you are on it let me tell you its not only humera and wolqait , tegede,, Korem , Alamata and especially Raya azebo.

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ወዲ ትግራይ

Discussion Starter · #4 · Oct 12, 2017

Kibret said:
You should also be curious to know why Addis Ababa belongs to the Oromo region when the majority of the people living in it are not Oromos.

A better question for you to ask is why didn't the EPRDF use a consistent criteria in creating the boundaries of the states. In some cases, current demographics is used, in other cases historical reasons are used.

Which places do you mean when talking about historical reasons? Not quite sure which places you are talking about in that example.

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Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 12, 2017

The daily said:
Tell me ur knowledge, about the history and the culture of the people in Wolqite ,humera and see how much convincing you are. You cant trace ur heritage from inda selasse in 30/40 years periode , a poor work immigrant and suddenly you think the land belongs to you.

The culture , language (although most are bilingual ) oral tradition and historical belongings of the Wolqait people have always been part of Gonder and Amhara. but that was not even the saddest thing, after all we are all Ethiopins eko , but this racist regime overwhelmingly neglection of thous people who identified as GOnders , unwilling to offer the kids to teach in amharic , settling thousands of Tigreans in their lands and literally overpassing the indigenous people on all the services of the regional govt. the killings and intimidation of the people. that is the reason why people revolted in wolqait, the revolt did not start in Gonder city, it started in humera and Tegede habibi , there is still problem in humera and wolqait. ask thous people , why they fight, they will gladly tell you. there are wolqait communities throughout the diaspora , go and ask some of them!

sine you are on it let me tell you its not only humera and wolqait , tegede,, Korem , Alamata and especially Raya azebo.

Where is the evidence that even if the it was always part of the Gonder province, that Amhara's were the majority in the past in those areas, Tigrayans were always in the majority there, even though Amhara's also lived alongside, they were the minority. And when the part of Welkait that had the Amhara majority was given to the Amhara reigon, Amhara's still, from the majority areas believed they were the majority in the entire place.

Also, had we only have moved in the region now and had it not been true, why would the Derg out of all regimes publish this back then??

hno:

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The daily

· #6 · Oct 12, 2017

ወዲ ትግራይ;142873713 said:
Which places do you mean when talking about historical reasons? Not quite sure which places you are talking about in that example.

What do you know about Harer ? tell me iabout its demography should it not be part of Oromia ?

The daily

· #7 · Oct 12, 2017

ወዲ ትግራይ;142873911 said:
Where is the evidence that even if the it was always part of the Gonder province, that Amhara's were the majority in the past in those areas, Tigrayans were always in the majority there, even though Amhara's also lived alongside, they were the minority. And when the part of Welkait that had the Amhara majority was given to the Amhara reigon, Amhara's still, from the majority areas believed they were the majority in the entire place.

Also, had we only have moved in the region now, why would the Derg out of all regimes publish this back then??hno:

LOL you take this map from horn affairs ? a tigrian Owned News outlet. Daniel berhane is that his name ? common dude ! show a credible study of that region if you are going to argue. don't come up with Bulishit.

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The daily

· #8 · Oct 12, 2017

ወዲ ትግራይ;142873911 said:
Where is the evidence that even if the it was always part of the Gonder province, that Amhara's were the majority in the past in those areas, Tigrayans were always in the majority there, even though Amhara's also lived alongside, they were the minority. And when the part of Welkait that had the Amhara majority was given to the Amhara reigon, Amhara's still, from the majority areas believed they were the majority in the entire place.

Also, had we only have moved in the region now, why would the Derg out of all regimes publish this back then??hno:

LOL you take this map from horn affairs ? a tigrian Owned News outlet. Daniel berhane is that his name ? common dude ! show a credible study of that region if you are going to argue. don't come up with Bulishit.

Btw , in that map , Metekel which is now part of Benishangul is predominately amhara , and raya,, and kobo and raya Azebo is Oromo. l and where is the agew in western amhara ? we know there are Oromos in southern Gojam ,its common knowledge where are they in this map ? what about the qement

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Discussion Starter · #9 · Oct 12, 2017

The daily said:
LOL you take this map from horn affairs ? a tigrian Owned News outlet. Daniel berhane is that his name ? common dude ! show a credible study of that region if you are going to argue. don't come up with Bulishit.

*The image from HornAffairs.

The map was from the regime, but I am guessing no evidence will ever be good enough for you.
What evidence do you have that the entire region had a Amhara majority? The only evidence I've seen on that side is that it was part of the old 'Gonder' province, which is meaningless because that did not mean any ethnic group.

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Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 12, 2017

The daily said:
LOL you take this map from horn affairs ? a tigrian Owned News outlet. Daniel berhane is that his name ? common dude ! show a credible study of that region if you are going to argue. don't come up with Bulishit.

Btw , in that map , Metekel which is now part of Benishangul is predominately amhara , and raya,, and kobo and raya Azebo is Oromo. l and where is the agew in western amhara ? we know there are Oromos in southern Gojam ,its common knowledge where are they in this map ? what about the qement ?

Metekel is shown as Amhara. Raya/Azebo that part is indicated Oromo. You cannot nitpick on the map and expect it to show even the Kimant (Which are shown as Agew above Lake Tana).

Again what evidence do you have to show about the ethnic groups that lived in Welkait?

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The daily

· #11 · Oct 12, 2017 (Edited)

ወዲ ትግራይ;142874411 said:
Metekel is shown as Amhara. Raya/Azebo that part is indicated Oromo. You cannot nitpick on the map and expect it to show even the Kimant (Which are shown as Agew above Lake Tana).

Again what evidence do you have to show about the ethnic groups that lived in Welkait?

lol , you are the one who is showing me a wrong map as a proof. which you take from a tigrean nationalist website- It spoused to be done by the pervious regime, but there is no demo gray report notthing, just a map. not even a derge embelem or anything like that. so am i spoused to take you ur words ? is that it ? lol

and NO thats not where The Qement people are , they are much closer to metama,around Gobder Zuria and predominately in chliga.

All in all Since you are using a map that does not really represent our ethnical boundaries of this government or on the ground. it looks like a work done in haste , you cant really use it as proof now do you.

What i have is this. historical claims, oral traditions, culture, language and the people them selfs, listen Wolqait people are border people , just like an alamata, raya, Shenkora, minjar ,they are bilinguals. they speak both border languages , market and all that,l and are mixed. but you cant just claim something that never belonged to you in the first place. THAT IS WRONG.

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Discussion Starter · #12 · Oct 12, 2017

The daily said:
lol , you are the one who is showing me a wrong map as a proof. which you take from a tigrean nationalist website- It spoused to be done by the pervious regime, but there is no demo gray report notthing, just a map.

and NO thats not where The Qement people are , they are much closer to metama,around Gobder Zuria and predominately in chliga.

All in all Since you are using a map that does not really represent our ethnical boundaries of this government , you cant really use it as proof now do you.

What i have is this. historical claims, oral traditions, culture, language and the people them selfs, listen Wolqait people are border people , just like an alamata, raya, Shenkora, minjar ,they are bilinguals. they speak both border languages , market and all that,l and are mixed. but you cant just claim something that never belonged to you in the first place. THAT IS WRONG.

You still haven't provided evidence, just your own words. And actually the Kimant people at the time were found around the Lake Tana area and still are.

The boundaries we use now are similar to that of the map.

It never belonged to us because of the way provinces were, but we were there in the past. I am guessing Wello, Gojjam and Shewa should also be extended going by what your saying?

In this old 70's Tigrigna song, why would Welkait and Hmora be mentioned if our people were not there at all and didn't live there? This is not a new song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsjHacwJaGE

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The daily

· #13 · Oct 12, 2017

ወዲ ትግራይ;142874858 said:
You still haven't provided evidence, just your own words. And actually the Kimant people at the time were found around the Lake Tana area and still are.

The boundaries we use now are similar to that of the map.

It never belonged to us because of the way provinces were, but we were there in the past. I am guessing Wello, Gojjam and Shewa should also be extended going by what your saying?

In this old 70's Tigrigna song, why would Welkait and Hmora be mentioned if our people were not there at all and didn't live there? This is not a new song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsjHacwJaGE

No I say Make wolqait/humeraTegede its own region. its to controversial to incorporated with the amhara or tigray for the future. if you say no you will be sent back to shire and Wolqait to Gonder.
:lol::lol:

For one Tigrigna song you have about Wolqait. I can probably post 1000s Gondere Songs , You cant sing about Gonder without mentioning Wolqait. its just a rule

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Discussion Starter · #14 · Oct 12, 2017

The daily said:
No I say Make wolqait/humeraTegede its own region. its to controversial to incorporated with the amhara or tigray for the future. if you say no you will be sent back to shire and Wolqait to Gonder.
:lol::lol:

For one Tigrigna song you have about Wolqait. I can probably post 1000s Gondere Songs , You cant sing about Gonder without mentioning Wolqait. its just a rule

It's not controversial, it just happened to be part of a province it shouldn't have been part of.

Yes you can post many Gondere songs about Welkait, but that Welkait has already been given to you and is a woreda in the Amhara region now. Just because you sing about Welkait it doesn't mean the entire place belongs to you. You can post songs mentioning Wello, doesn't mean the Afar parts belong to you as well.

We took the parts we were majority in, face it.

You've already got the part of Welkait and Tselemt that you were the majority in, but you are wanting more. Why not have the Afar/Benishangul region while you're at it?:lol:

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The daily

· #15 · Oct 12, 2017

Look at The Italian east africa map, they were the first once who divided Ethiopia into Ethnical boundaries . look where Humera /wolqite was located according to their map . YEs You guessed right , Amhara region/Gonder.

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Discussion Starter · #16 · Oct 12, 2017

The daily said:
Look at The Italian east africa map, they were the first once who divided Ethiopia into Ethnical boundaries . look where Humera /wolqite was located according to their map . YEs You guessed right , Amhara region/Gonder.

The Italian East Africa map? You are reaching:lol:

The daily

· #17 · Oct 12, 2017

ወዲ ትግራይ;142875292 said:
It's not controversial, it just happened to be part of a province it shouldn't have been part of.

Yes you can post many Gondere songs about Welkait, but that Welkait has already been given to you and is a woreda in the Amhara region now. Just because you sing about Welkait it doesn't mean the entire place belongs to you. You can post songs mentioning Wello, doesn't mean the Afar parts belong to you as well.

We took the parts we were majority in, face it.

You've already got the part of Welkait and Tselemt that you were the majority in, but you are wanting more. Why not have the Afar/Benishangul region while you're at it?:lol:

Don't worry you can always visit ur family members in Shire we are very kind people , you can even bring them to us in wolqait/GOnder, but this time around we will have to get back to our historical place , GONDER. tekeze river will be our border to ur extended family members

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The daily

· #18 · Oct 12, 2017

ወዲ ትግራይ;142875578 said:
The Italian East Africa map? You are reaching:lol:

why am I reaching ? its true is this not ? now look at the map.

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Discussion Starter · #19 · Oct 12, 2017

The daily said:
why am I reaching ? its true is this not ? now look at the map.

Of course because Adiabo, Shire is part of Amhara. Don't get me started on the other regions too:lol:.

Provide some evidence about the ethnic groups in the region we are talking about, you have brought nothing but maps of provinces not based on ethnicity.

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The daily

· #20 · Oct 12, 2017

its a map that divided ethiopia into its ethnic make up as you can see Wolqait was in Gonder , as it should be. you can take ur adiabo and tsimbla, it never belonged to GOnder , and will be never be claimed . We know most Tigrians in Wolqait are from shire , long time ago they used to come from Eritrea, actually we have more in common with them then with you eko. traded more with them. but now days , you are coming in droves from all over tigray. free land , take it from Wolqait and give it to Agate. Like I say Tekeze will be our Border.

and What evidence are you talking about. you are the one who stole our land based on nothing to show for. you are the one with a fake map , with unknown author , with out any report and no ownership other then ur claims. for god sake man ? is this how you argue ? Wolqait people are out literally in arms fighting for exactly this cause ? the people have a platefrom go and visit them, , like I stated earlier . The revolt did not start in proper Gonder, it started in humera, go and see where there is the most troubled region in Ethiopia , Somalia region and HUmera /wolqait,- why do you think that is ? Historically ,culturally linguistically Gondere , now they are forced to take another identity above that discriminated against. Soon it will end.

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