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I guess every city's got one. For Melbourne I nominate the top end of Elizabeth Street - and it's perplexing.

It's got everything there, trams passing and an underground rail station at Melbourne Central. After the Victoria Markets its opens into a broad, handsome, plantation-lined strip leading to two of the city's great boulevards - and nothing has happened up there for decades.



It killed Daimaru. On the Elizabeth Street side, Melbourne Central remains friendless. The city's development has flowed in every other direction.




I don't mind this little one. The mid strip above Bourke has some idiosyncracy - but most of the retail is shabby: camera stores, motorcycle shops and the odd technical bookshop.








But it's really the upper end I'm talking about. The broad strip of car dealerships and repair shops leading to the (undistinguished) flag roundabout - and the hospital.
It's sick. I can't even find a decent picture of it.




So much going for it - I'm sure it will have some defenders. But to my mind, the top end of Elizabeth remains resolutely unfashionable.

Why? We hear endless talk of Swanston Street makeovers,
and, with Docklands, Spencer Street is now rising. What's does the city's strategic plan say about the top end of Elizabeth Street. I've heard nothing.

Anyway, that's my choice. What's the dead end - the renovator's opportunity - of your town?
 

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Do you think that the proposed CUB site may help or spur on more projects for the top end of Elizabeth though?
 

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Do you think that the proposed CUB site may help or spur on more projects for the top end of Elizabeth though?
It may spill over to some extent Wilko - but what I have been secretly wondering is whether Melbourne University has bought up all or most of the old buildings on their side, and just continues to lease them out pending further expansion.


The uni does do that. Once many years ago - too many to say - I bid at auction for a narrow two-storey little house on Swanston Street opposite Newman College. It would have been my very first house - but I had no hope against the uni's bidders.
 

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Regent St, between Railway Square and Redfern in Sydney is a major artery and should be bustling, but instead it's a sewer with sad little boarded-up shops and unattractive warehouse conversions with no active street frontage.

 

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That end of town won't be dead for much longer thanks to the CUB redevelopment and the redevelopment of the Redfern area. It's looking bright. :)
 

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You can from Elizabeth St and take the same road all the way to Sydney! Elizabeth St becomes Royal Pde, then Sydney Rd, then Hume Hwy!!! I plan to do it one day!
 

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CUB will have little effect on Elizabeth St - Elizabeth St is far more active than the top end of Swanston St (where CUB will have far greater effect) and the West ends of Lonsdale & La Trobe combined.
 

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I'm sure it will have some defenders.
Here's one now :)

The north CBD end of Elizabeth is great. There's a strong backpacker culture, all the motorbike stores (and workshops in the back lanes), and a couple of great pubs where you can have beers on a Friday night without being swamped by corporate wankers (as anyone who's been to a Melbourne meet can testify, these places are rare :) ).

It's pretty lively on market days too, and you're much less likely to get stabbed there at night than up the Flinders St end.

Unfashionable, yes, but it's one of those parts of the city that are much better value to live in than to look at.
 

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That end of town won't be dead for much longer thanks to the CUB redevelopment and the redevelopment of the Redfern area. It's looking bright. :)
I'd like to see it busy as an Oxford St or a Broadway. Preferably with giant Times Square/Shibuya-style signs on the TNT towers. :) And with the airspace over the railway completely built out on both sides of Cleveland St.
 

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Here's one now :)

The north CBD end of Elizabeth is great. There's a strong backpacker culture, all the motorbike stores (and workshops in the back lanes), and a couple of great pubs where you can have beers on a Friday night without being swamped by corporate wankers (as anyone who's been to a Melbourne meet can testify, these places are rare :) ).

It's pretty lively on market days too, and you're much less likely to get stabbed there at night than up the Flinders St end.

Unfashionable, yes, but it's one of those parts of the city that are much better value to live in than to look at.
I just knew there had to be some local sub-culture going on behind that strip of bike shops etc who would love the place, Mugs, that's why I was a bit careful with my choice of words about it. Good to hear .

As I say, I was really referring to the the two or three long wide blocks beyond the market, and I'm not sure if you are including them in your defence. Let me know if there's some local life going on in there too. I'd like to hear. Cheers, Bronte.
 

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As I say, I was really referring to the the two or three long wide blocks beyond the market, and I'm not sure if you are including them in your defence. Let me know if there's some local life going on in there too. I'd like to hear. Cheers, Bronte.
There's the Arthouse on the corner of Queensberry. Best punk pub in Melbourne, possibly the world.

Apart from that, a bit of a hole. Fire away :)
 

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^^ Wonderful. A Tokyo-esque building right smack dab! :) (I did a double-take). Now just throw in a few hundred people outside milling about. The most we can hope for is a 1/2 empty coffee shop @ the base of Signature Apts. :(

There was a time when the top of George St just off Central was very sparse and quiet...but Chinatown grew and grew, and the CBD's skyline surged south simultaneously & that dissipated.

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The Adelaide CBD West End (especially western Hindley St and all of West Terrace etc...) is filled with empty shops, adult shops, shabby retail, caryards, and old derelict warehouses - most of the west end does not resemble anything like a CBD.

Though I don't think it will be like that for long, especially with the Tramline extension, u/c Bus Terminal, Precinct Development, Grote St Redevelopment, Central Markets Redevelopment, 20-22 Currie St (31lv/125m), residential/student apartments etc... Plus the SA Film Corp is looking at moving its studios and offices into the west end, which will boast the area.

Though the West End (especially Hindley St) has improved over the years, the area is pretty safe these days and isn't really a red light district anymore compared to a few years ago, most of the activity has moved out to the NW suburbs - which is a good thing because Hindley St is right smack bang in the main CBD part!

Other dead end spots

Hutt Street - while the street is more attractive than many streets in Adelaide, it lacks activity. While it has a quite a few shops, restaurants, cafes and hotels, it has so much potential to be something much bigger (especially if the tramline is extended along Hutt St) as it has a wide boulevard filled with european trees and wide footpaths.

Glen Osmond Road (just out of the CBD) - Harbourtown West Beach has completely killed of Glen Osmond Road which used to be a popular strip for brand direct shopping. Now its mostly filled with vacant shops, narrow footpaths and a terrible streetscape. I think G.O Road should have a Unley Road style redevelopment (undergrounding powerlines, resurfacing the road, adding more trees etc...)

While G.O Road might lack pedestrian activity, it certainly doesn't lack road traffic. The road is a busy inner route and is usually a nightmare in peak hour - one of Adelaide's worst roads.
 

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Regent St, between Railway Square and Redfern in Sydney is a major artery and should be bustling, but instead it's a sewer with sad little boarded-up shops and unattractive warehouse conversions with no active street frontage.

regent st went down hill once the day club closed down! those signature apartments are so removed from the roadside with the way they have an elevated footpath, it just feels like it has been made to deaden the area. i would like to think that it will one day become another brilliant strip but there's something too vehicular about it's layout that seems to deter any other activity. also, there's a certain element up the tnt towers end that keeps many people away, whether rightly or wrongly. that strip has got so much going against it. maybe the chippendale section will improve.
 

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i like walking around areas like elizabeth st in melbourne and adelaide's west end, especially the area around the junction with hindley st and west terrace. they are grungy and even though they may seem empty they have character and essence. i actually think that some of the areas in the south end of adelaides cbd are quite dull, lowrises (many single story) like doctors surgery's and houses. a bit plain around there (can't give exact co-ordinates but i remember walking that end of town and coming across some dull streets that seemed more suburban than cbd).
 

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Most of the CBD looks inner suburban than CBD, mainly because the CBD has a huge land mass.

Though the main part is cornered of by North Terrace, Pulteney St, Grote/Wakefield St and Morphett Street.
 
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