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The 'Fast Track' planning or "Strategic Housing Development" thread

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I can already see a pattern here. The schemes in/going through planning are in dormitory towns and exurbs rather than in the main cities. I don't think they warrant a thread each so this is an omnibus thread to catch this particular zeitgeist.

1. Leixlip 19th April.

http://www.thejournal.ie/leixlip-planning-permission-3967098-Apr2018/

Ardstone Homes will build the 450 homes on a site near the Wonderful Barn monument in Leixlip after utilising the Strategic Housing Development scheme.
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2. Tuam 18th April

http://www.tuamherald.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/04/18/4154835-tuam-gets-100-fast-track-houses/

The 128 houses are earmarked for an extensive site on the Ballygaddy Road. The plans are the first ‘fast-track’ housing development from the area to get the green light since the measure was introduced last year.
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3. Glanmire 3rd April.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/20...or-600-homes-granted-under-fast-track-system/

An Bord Pleanála granted planning to O’Flynn Construction for the construction of 608 residential units and a neighbourhood centre which includes a creche, retail/services, community building and school site at Ballinglanna, Glanmire.
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The 'Fast Track' planning or Strategic Housing Development scheme itself is 9 months old and 5000 units were submitted in the 3 months to september after it opened.

https://www.independent.ie/business...asttrack-bid-for-5000-new-homes-36152235.html

It would not surprise me in the least if 15,000 homes were to be approved in 2018 by this method,especially or perhaps even solely near Dublin Cork and Galway, but I am already inclining to the idea that these are not proper planning and development and that a judicial review could nuke this scheme soon enough if one is taken.

Sadly very few fast track units are going through inside the cities (apart from along the M50), perhaps only awaiting changes to building regulations/cores/dual aspects which are in the pipeline for new apartment developments and perhaps already designed and ready to submit once the regulations change. But if they keep coming out of planning like they have been in the past few months then the pipeline of housing is looking healthy for the first time in 10 years.

As of 11 April the following were in the process and the first 2 listed got planning this week (see above)

https://web.archive.org/web/2018042...rentApplications/CurrentApplications11Apr.pdf

2000+ units there (less the 600 that got permission this week ) and with decisions due by the end of June in Killiney, Kildare, Maynooth Kilternan and Cabinteely with a deluge imminent when the apartment regulations are changed.
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ZG_Blues
Unfortunately this scheme is being used to expand the sprawls around the cities instead of providing the accommodation type Ireland urgently needs, apartments.

Cork City council even appealed the 600 houses in Glanmire due to low density.

My guess, it's just gonna get worse and worse.
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ZG_Blues said:
Unfortunately this scheme is being used to expand the sprawls around the cities instead of providing the accommodation type Ireland urgently needs, apartments.
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I said that apartment applications are awaiting imminent changes to height/cores/aspects and it would be pointless to apply right now. I expect a flood of them later this year in central parts of the 3 big cities ...not Limerick and Waterford, yet anyway.

A development in Galway was refused in this new process just for density reasons, too low.
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sponge_bob said:
I said that apartment applications are awaiting imminent changes to height/cores/aspects and it would be pointless to apply right now. I expect a flood of them later this year in central parts of the 3 big cities ...not Limerick and Waterford, yet anyway.

A development in Galway was refused in this new process just for density reasons, too low.
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Limerick city is bigger than Galway city FYI.

Also Limerick has a similiar style development to the ones described in the opening post:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...ential-units-planned-for-limerick-810360.html
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sponge_bob said:
I said that apartment applications are awaiting imminent changes to height/cores/aspects and it would be pointless to apply right now. I expect a flood of them later this year in central parts of the 3 big cities ...not Limerick and Waterford, yet anyway.
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I'm not so sure about that. What I am sure is that developers are using fast track to get their low density developments approved in no time.
Just next to those 500+ houses in Glanmire there is another fast tracked development in Glounthaune and one more of similar size in pre-planning.

edit: Road improvements included in those plans are so minor we can say they're non existent.
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Glanmire seems like pretty reasonable location to build, no? I know the Cork City boundaries are ill defined but Glanmire is at worst a suburb and is hardly a dormitory town.
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There should be dedicated levies on that Glanmire housing development put towards a P&R rail station at North Esk along with a cycle route to it. The money should be given to the NTA to build it, IE would just use the money to cover last months overtime bill.
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PeteC said:
There should be dedicated levies on that Glanmire housing development put towards a P&R rail station at North Esk along with a cycle route to it. The money should be given to the NTA to build it, IE would just use the money to cover last months overtime bill.
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Too late now and way too late if there is no 'special contribution' scheme mentioned in the County Development Plan before ABP lay down conditions.

Furthermore these special contributions need to be spent fairly fast, remember the O Malley case on the Barna Bypass in Galway a few years back??? The last comparable station, in Oranmore, cost €4.5m a few years back.
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Application for 460 apartments in Sandyford, tallest block is 14 stories, pretty decent density.

http://www.tivwayplanning.com/
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madoncemadtwice said:
Also Limerick has a similiar style development to the ones described in the opening post:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...ential-units-planned-for-limerick-810360.html
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Limerick is proposing one. But first it has to put a special contribution scheme together to build a road into that Mungret site.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/...-3k-as-council-imposes-levy-to-fund-road.html

A SPECIAL contribution scheme is likely to be introduced to fund the construction of a new distributor road in County Limerick. Maria Woods, a senior planner with Limerick City and County Council, has revealed there is likely to be a €5m shortfall in funding for the Mungret project which will open up around 26 hectares of land for development.
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There will be no application to ABP until that is in place.

A master plan for the development of the 26 hectares in Mungret is currently being drawn up by Limerick 2030 on behalf of the local authority.
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and that.

They don't even know if they will need to CPO the land for the road at this point so I expect no activity on that Mungret site before 2020 and no fast track application for quite some time on that site. It is a greenfield site in the countryside too of course.
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I don't have a problem with any of the fast-tracked schemes.

But the refusals do give some fuel to Bob's paranoia....in this parish we've had several major high-density projects refused (most notably 500 apartments in Sandyford Industrial Estate) on no reasonable basis whatsoever.

Even as semi-D sprawl is approved much further from the city.
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Khuitlio said:
Application for 460 apartments in Sandyford, tallest block is 14 stories, pretty decent density.

http://www.tivwayplanning.com/
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Yeah..application.

Approval unlikely :eek:hno:
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Wilderbeast said:
Yeah..application.

Approval unlikely :eek:hno:
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Wasn't that one already rejected for being too dense? Or is this a new one again?
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Elhorseboxo said:
Wasn't that one already rejected for being too dense? Or is this a new one again?
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Must be a new application...a proposal on the same site for about 500 apartments was rejected by DCC and ABP over a year ago. (What housing crisis?? :nuts:)

Not sure what changes have been made, as 14 stories was the max height of the earlier application.
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I'd give it a much better chance this time as ABP are weighing ministerial guidelines and national policy much heavier in the fast track process and weighing local attitudes and delicacies much lower. There is almost no such thing as 'too dense' in fast track.

That plus there are some high rises in Sandyford already. It could even be the same application refused by DLR.
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sponge_bob said:
I'd give it a much better chance this time as ABP are weighing ministerial guidelines and national policy much heavier in the fast track process and weighing local attitudes and delicacies much lower. There is almost no such thing as 'too dense' in fast track.

That plus there are some high rises in Sandyford already. It could even be the same application refused by DLR.
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Not only that - but as a local I'm unaware of any local opposition in any significant sense.

But I do get flyers all the time from FFG Councillors calling for objections to any apartment schemes over 3 floors :eek:hno:

They usually go (paraphrasing) "I wish to draw your attention to a proposal..."
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Wilderbeast said:
Not only that - but as a local I'm unaware of any local opposition in any significant sense.
But I do get flyers all the time from FFG Councillors calling for objections to any apartment schemes over 3 floors :eek:hno:
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As there are a few large buildings in the Sandyford already I think that public opinion is not against more seeing as it is a transport hub as well. Obviously the public want them in one place and it is hardly likely that a tall building or 10 will 'ruin' Sandyford Industrial Estate. :(

It is somewhat odd that in DLR the objectors to taller buildings are FF and FG and likely the Rosseristas as well while in the City it seems to be the Shinners who are the main objectors.
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sponge_bob said:
It is somewhat odd that in DLR the objectors to taller buildings are FF and FG and likely the Rosseristas as well while in the City it seems to be the Shinners who are the main objectors.
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Not really odd or surprising - Nimbys vote and SF gets few of those in DLR - so FFG/Ross do most of the heavy lifting for Nimbyism :)

The notion that SF are more likely to object is bullocks...as I've had to point out repeatedly.

What is most annoying is that in an area where the vast majority will passively accept tall apartments it is the "planners" and FFG who seem try and stir up opposition.
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Wilderbeast said:
The notion that SF are more likely to object is bullocks...as I've had to point out repeatedly.
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Its a fact on DCC, the Shinners shot down 8 storey+ building heights all on their own. But they are not too vociferous about individual buildings after all that.
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ABP are overturning a lot of refused planning applications and handling the increasing number of fast track applications speedily.
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