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The five most intriguing Canadian WikiLeaks revelations
Vincent McDermott December 1, 2010
The National Post

1. Iran: Canada’s little helper in Afghanistan?
In a cable from July 2008, Ex-CSIS director Jim Judd told State Department official Eliot Cohen in a meeting that Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security had approached Canadian intelligence and offered to provide information on potential attacks in Afghanistan.

2. The U.S. government: not such a fan of the CBC
In a 2008 document focused on the CBC, an unnamed U.S. official claimed that the network has “long gone to great pains to highlight the distinction between Americans and Canadians in its programming, generally at our expense.”

3. Le pauvre! The French felt sorry for Stephen Harper
In a memo from last year, an aide to French president Nicolas Sarkozy told a U.S. diplomat that although other European leaders were excluded from a 65th D-Day ceremony, Mr. Harper and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown got an invite because their political situation made them “exceptional.”

4. Tim Burton has nothing on the Canadian court’s “Alice in Wonderland” world view
During the same meeting from revelation number 1, Mr. Judd allegedly expressed his frustrations with court rulings that he said made the fighting terrorism more difficult, including rules that ban the use of information gained from torture.

“Director Judd ascribed an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ world view to Canadians and their courts, whose judges have tied CSIS ‘in knots,’ making it ever more difficult to detect and prevent terror attacks in Canada and abroad,” the cable says.

“The situation, he commented, left government security agencies on the defensive and losing public support for their effort to protect Canada and its allies.”

5. President Obama: so popular, it could rub off on Harper
An American cable dealing with President Obama’s 2009 visit to Ottawa suggested that Mr. Harper would profit from the President’s immense post-election popularity.

“Your enormous popularity among Canadians (an 81% approval rating) is to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper both a blessing … and a curse, because no Canadian politician of any stripe is nearly as popular, respected or inspiring as you are to Canadian voters,” the official wrote.

“Your decision to make Ottawa your first foreign destination as President will do much to diminish — temporarily at least — Canada’s habitual inferiority complex vis-a-vis the U.S. and its chronic but accurate complaint that the U.S. pays far less attention to Canada than Canada does to us.”

Read more: http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/1...canadian-wikileaks-revelations/#ixzz16zCGb6rw

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My favorite is this one:

"Judd commented that cherry-picked sections of the court-ordered release of a DVD of Guantanamo detainee and Canadian citizen Omar Khadr (ref D) would likely show three (Canadian) adults interrogating a kid who breaks down in tears.

He observed that the images would no doubt trigger "knee-jerk anti-Americanism" and "paroxysms of moral outrage, a Canadian specialty," as well as lead to a new round of heightened pressure on the government to press for Khadr's return to Canada.

He predicted that PM Harper's government would nonetheless continue to resist this pressure."


http://www.thestar.com/specialsections/article/900037
 

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The only one I find interesting is that the French president wanted to help out the British PM, and an english speaking Canadian PM. That must be a first in a long time.
 

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So basically, nothing really that shocking? That's what I really don't understand about this whole recent Wikileaks thing. So far, there hasn't been anything "leak" worthy in this batch. They haven't exposed any crimes or scandals, really. It's mostly just low-grade diplomatic gossip - much of which was already suspected or known. If they aren't actually "whistle blowing", then why bother?
 

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it makes the americans look bad or how non-americans view them already arrogant, scared, closed in etc. making remarks about other countries leaders etc can affect future world summits g20's g8's etc. what did the US say about the italian leader? I can't remember but it wasn't very nice, I am sure he won't be too happy to have to meet with the US leaders soon
 

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Yeah, so basically it's how diplomats REALLY talk in private (i.e undiplomatically). I'm sure countless other countries in the world (including Canada) are breathing a collective sigh of relief that their (very similar in tone) diplomatic cables haven't been leaked as well, but these shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone even remotely familiar with that scene. If the anyone tries to put the gears to the US at an international summit over this, the US can safely accuse the pot of calling the kettle black. I'm sure the world will move on. It's no Pentagon papers or Watergate, which actually exposed serious crimes and transgressions. Heck, it's not even the video that Wikileaks released earlier in the year of US soldiers in Iraq attacking unarmed civilians and media people.

Oh, and whatever anyone says about Berlusconi is probably true and well deserved ;)
 

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Most likely because the CBC tells the news straight up and it's not afraid of our own government let alone theirs like US networks seem to be.
That's only because the CBC-watching demographic hates our current government.

I agree with cementationfurnace that most of the revelations aren't anything new... they just more or less confirm what people are already thinking.
 

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Well the cbc is never afraid to point out the flaws of our own government, even our tired satire loves to make fun of whoever's in power. The CBC is much more open to pointing out Canada's flaws then say CNN is of U.S flaws. The funny thing though is that the CBC is government funded yet they will bite the hand that feeds them.
 

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Yeah, something like this was in the paper today. Just shows how low the American diplomats working in Canada are.

Telling their higher-ups back home how much of an inferiority complex we have and such...
Weird.
 

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I'm glad CBC is willing to report the news as it is, more or less. I've never seen CBC as a left or right-wing biased broadcaster, however very in the middle (while technically Liberal does not match the "political liberal"). I find BBC is quite similar to this too, in comparison to say Fox and NBC. But what a joke Fox has become, anyone see Louis Black's rant on Glen Beck's Nazi-Tourrettes? Hilarious.
 

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Wasn't today suppose to be the big day for leaks referring to Canada?

Can't seem to find anything new. A lot of these leaks have been very anti-climatic. I was hoping for more damage done to the politicians.

A lot of these leaks just confirm what Canadians have always suspected of Americans.

It makes me laugh that Americans are upset by "anti-Americanism" on CBC. Do I have to refer them to these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9tf0-BIyU0&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBIN99bfNZo
 

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1. Iran: Canada’s little helper in Afghanistan?
In a cable from July 2008, Ex-CSIS director Jim Judd told State Department official Eliot Cohen in a meeting that Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security had approached Canadian intelligence and offered to provide information on potential attacks in Afghanistan.
I wonder why this surprised people, Iran was always unfriendly with the Taliban, a creation of Pakistan. Before the West stepped in to help the Northern Alliance after 9-11, Iran was their main backer.
 

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I too find CBC News more reliable and unbiased than pretty much every North American news outlet, whether it be private or otherwise. I especially enjoy the Lang and O'Leary Exchange. Kevin O'Leary is an entertaining yet smart fella. No left leaning private news outlet will hire him but I'm glad he's on CBC to provide laissez-faire economic viewpoints that frankly run counter to Canada's economic model throughout its history. It is good to be educated in counter viewpoints and I'm glad we have such opportunities.
 

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Well at least now we know that the US understands our inferiority complex at least as well as we do. :lol:
 

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I'd say one of Harper's advisors calling for the assassination of Assange is a bit more "shocking" than any of this stuff.

 

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Yeah, so basically it's how diplomats REALLY talk in private (i.e undiplomatically). I'm sure countless other countries in the world (including Canada) are breathing a collective sigh of relief that their (very similar in tone) diplomatic cables haven't been leaked as well, but these shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone even remotely familiar with that scene. If the anyone tries to put the gears to the US at an international summit over this, the US can safely accuse the pot of calling the kettle black. I'm sure the world will move on. It's no Pentagon papers or Watergate, which actually exposed serious crimes and transgressions. Heck, it's not even the video that Wikileaks released earlier in the year of US soldiers in Iraq attacking unarmed civilians and media people.

Oh, and whatever anyone says about Berlusconi is probably true and well deserved ;)
I agree with what you say - just its kinda funny really i lol at it its embarrassing for the US for these leaks - great fodder for the public nothing life changing however
 

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We should probably be relieved at how much less insulting the Americans were toward Canada than other countries.

As for the revelations themselves, I can't see someone needing to apologize for remarks made in private with the genuine belief they'd remain private. Actions, on the other hand, are a different story. Revelations pertaining to leaders and diplomats who took part in unethical or illegal behavior should be taken very seriously.
 
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