The Future of Leeds & the UK

if The UK wants to start boosting its economy again, then it needs to start investing in the industry, spending cuts will not do anything but destroy the system even more starving people of cash will only make the current system we live in worse, people will stop spending even less then what they currently are, businesses will also find it harder. doesn't the goverment see that...

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Most of the manufacturing industry that we used to have in the UK is gone for good, but it's not Thatcher's fault or the ability of the industry to adapt, it's the industrialisation of low waged nations (particularly in far east Asia) and the free market that has caused the change, so that there is no way we in the west can compete with the low cost of basic mass produced products from these emerging producers.

UK manufacturing that does still exist is based on specialised and less mass produced manufacturing, or manufacturing that needs to be local for logisitical reasons or where transport costs is less cost effective to import a product.

So explain Germany.

Rob said:

Most of the manufacturing industry that we used to have in the UK is gone for good, but it's not Thatcher's fault or the ability of the industry to adapt, it's the industrialisation of low waged nations (particularly in far east Asia) and the free market that has caused the change, so that there is no way we in the west can compete with the low cost of basic mass produced products from these emerging producers.

UK manufacturing that does still exist is based on specialised and less mass produced manufacturing, or manufacturing that needs to be local for logisitical reasons or where transport costs is less cost effective to import a product.

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The UK as a whole could make a bright future for itself if money was invested in the right things, the system as we know it doesn't look so bright for the future generation, the people runing the system are not thinking of tomorow, i see a grim future when these spending cuts come out, and i wouldn't be supprised to see riots like the poll taxs days, people can't live on fresh air in a system ran like it is.

For an example all that moorland wasted all over the UK for no reason what so ever could be used for foresting for the future, nothing is ever thought out in this country and i'm finding it so hard to not just want to step in and change things for the better.

we could be more self dependent, as a nation if land was used wisely and if the industry was brought back to life, i'm sure people agree with me when i say it's abit ironic that one of the most powerful nations in the world at one time is now dependent on other countries for goods? is that meant to be a good thing can't we atleast balance that out and start thinking of the future instead of holding the system back.

EverLast said:

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Not even close.

oyster said:

Not even close.

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:lol: sorry encourage* i'm male i spell it how it sounds sometimes because when i spell it right it looks wrong :lol:

EverLast said:

For an example all that moorland wasted all over the UK for no reason what so ever could be used for foresting for the future.

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Yes, and all that pointless countryside just crying out to be filled with factories and houses.

To be fair isn't moorland suspected to have been forestry before some ancient deforestation? Not quite the same thing as building on the countryside. Of course moorland is a dramatic and distinctive landscape that you can't find much outside the British Isles, even if it can be a bit bleak, with much of it being protected within National Parks so realistically most of it will remain. However I don't see anything wrong with foresting certain bits. Of course this should be native species rather than the usual Forestry Commission plantations of various non-native species for timber production. I think there are plans for this to take place in some areas, certainly in Scotland where most native forest has gone and much of what currently exists being the sort of plantation I just mentioned.

EverLast said:

if The UK wants to start boosting its economy again, then it needs to start investing in the industry, spending cuts will not do anything but destroy the system even more starving people of cash will only make the current system we live in worse, people will stop spending even less then what they currently are, businesses will also find it harder. doesn't the goverment see that...

Leave me your opinions.

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Most people who complain about spending cuts have no idea why they are happening, they just want to moan about something. We have a huge deficit and a massive debt, spending cuts, especially on things such as the welfare system, are good, in my opinion. Besides, they won't affect Leeds too much.

Also about Germany, they're a major car manufacturer, the UK isn't, or wasn't, a major manufacturer of many things.

To my mind Leeds won't get very far unless there's more of a CAN DO attitude among the population. Its served us well in the past and we shouldn't allow ourselves to get demoralised by the blows that weve had the past few years.

We need a better proportion of good architecture over mediocre. The council shouldnt allow builders to think that we're so desperate here that they can get away with anything. It's not a Leeds Look that we need now it's a better quality look.

Aaronj09 said:

the UK isn't, or wasn't, a major manufacturer of many things.

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Eh? Tell me youre not being serious.

CleanAir said:

Eh? Tell me youre not being serious.

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Well, it was until the 1980's, when most of the industries stopped. What would be the point of bringing them back? The UK economy is most dependent on the financial sector these days.

Aaronj09 said:

We have a huge deficit and a massive debt, spending cuts, especially on things such as the welfare system, are good, in my opinion. Besides, they won't affect Leeds too much.

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Of course they will affect Leeds. The city is home to the Department of Health (1/3 of the total DH work force), Department for Work and Pensions, Connecting For Health, Leeds PCT, Leeds Foundation Trust, NHS Information Centre to name but a few and these organisations are likely to see a reduction of up to 30% of their workforce. This could mean in excess of 2000 redundancies in the city centre alone!

Aaronj09 said:

Most people who complain about spending cuts have no idea why they are happening, they just want to moan about something. We have a huge deficit and a massive debt, spending cuts, especially on things such as the welfare system, are good, in my opinion. Besides, they won't affect Leeds too much.

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i'm sure you wont be saying that when the spending cuts happen and they effect your quality of life, why should normal people in the street pay for anothers mans mess, besides the goverments have so much power these days they could scrap the debts completely if they wanted to, because lets face it, its effecting not only the UK economy but the entire world economy itself, people don't understand that corruption in the system is what made all this start in the first place, in my honest opinion the system we live in now sucks, we could do so much better if we had people who were more creative and knew what they were doing.

WirlieG said:

So explain Germany.

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Ditto for Germany, much the same as the UK manufacturing sector (although on a bigger scale).

@ Leeds Troll and scs2mwp

I never said they wouldn't affect Leeds at all, but not as much as say Middlesbrough, most people in Leeds work in the Private Sector.

We voted the past government into power for 13 years, even after they kept screwing us over, it's our own fault really.

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@ Leeds Troll
We voted the past government into power for 13 years, even after they kept screwing us over, it's our own fault really.

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I'm not talking about any goverment we have currently, i meant a new system and a new way of running the system, the people in power now are going to make so many people homeless with these spending cuts, im sure of that, cutting peoples money is cutting peoples quality of life and will effect nearly everyone in this country, people need a fair system to live in where we all have a better chance of having a good quality of life, also people with a not so good paying job need some of these benefits, due to the fact they need to supplement their incomes. people need a fair system which insures they have a roof over their heads, the system we live in now doesn't care about normal people.