Those are very very old people complaining about LA! Ha!Apparently, for some weird coincidence, I have about a dozen neighbors here in the beach area of LA who are or former native Chicagoans and most have lived here for over five years and raising a family. Also, I have four co-workers who are former native Chicagoans, young and enregetic people! Two of my friend's latest acquaintances are from Chicago! What gives? A friend of mine left LA for Chicago and she came back to LA after six months! I like Chicago from an urban/architectural stand point, a very nice place to visit. But to be civil about this entire discussion, I won't even tell you their reasons for leaving, you can figure that out for yourself!yoyoniner said:I don't know about "universally envied." I don't know of anyone here around Chicago that thinks very highly of Los Angeles---most people just come back complaining about the city but praising the weather. That seems to be the sentiment. Same when I was living in North Carolina: the two great American cities to them were New York and Chicago, with San Francisco close behind.