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I know we all have mixed feelings about our Central Business District. Maybe this thread can be a good means to vent opinions, thoughts, and suggestions towards the area. This thread wouldn't be a discussion of development but rather the downtown CBD itself. Personally, I think it is an abominable representation of South Florida and it is one of the most ugly and depressing downtown places that I have ever seen. I think that the area currently cannot be more underutilized considering the potential: its close to EVERYTHING. It is on the bay, the miami river, and is close to all major freeways and transportation systems. Just looking at a transportation and road map of miami, I don't thihnk anyone can imagine such a terrible result. This is truly a horrible neighborhood that should welcome any new development and change because it really can't get worse. That's my opinion but I'm interested in hearing everyone else's!
 

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I'm just making sure: are you talking about just the CBD (north of the river, including Park West) or Brickell as well? I agree in a way with you about most of the CBD, especially the interior. Park West is horrible and the northern half of downtown is pretty bad in parts too. The southeastern CBD, along Biscayne, and the ENTIRE Brickell area is pretty nice, though IMO. You've got to realize that even know the traditional downtown is only north of the river and south of I-395, but with all the new development in Brickell, actually half of downtown is SOUTH of the river in Brickell, and that area is much nicer than the CBD in general and it does not fit the criteria you mentioned above. Like I said in the other thread though there is a lot of the CBD itself that is nasty and needs to be fixed up, and by CBD I'm talking about interior areas north of the river, especially further north closer to I-95 and I-395.

With the new structure of downtown I think that Brickell should be treated differently than northern areas like Park West because it's 2 different worlds. If you go walking around northern Downtown/CBD or Park West at certain times of day, you don't feel safe and it's very grimy and nasty. In Brickell you never get that feeling though and you feel safe even in the middle of the night, there is no grime or abandoned buildings, everything is newer overall, etc. it's just a much better environment IMO.....and the southeastern CBD around Wachovia Tower/Met Miami area and along Biscayne is also like this until you get to north of the AAA when it gets a bit shady in Park West.

I agree with you, though....there are many other areas that would "represent" South Florida better....and Park West/CBD is a total mess and something needs to be done soon to help that area.


BTW I think Miami Beach and Coral Gables "represent" South Florida much better and in a positive light than Park West.....Brickell also does this, and even the southeastern CBD....but you're right the northern CBD (a.k.a. Park West) is terrible. Something needs to be done to get rid of the grime and crime there.
 

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I'm catiously optimistic.

Will it ever be a frenetic 24/7 downtown like New York or Tokyo? No. The dynamics just aren't there, plus a LOT of those new residential units are clearly gonna sit empty a good portion of the year. That's just reality.

But I also believe it will eventually get a LOT better...just like countless other American downtowns have in recent decades. There'll be enough infill and permanent residency to make the core far less boring than it has been. I think it could certainly reach a level of year-round downtown activity seen in places like San Diego and Portland over the next decade or so...which ain't bad at all if you've been to those cities lately.
 

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My biggest thing about CBD is the grimeyness. Now me being from that grimeyness says a lot. The city really needs to do something about this. You have these huge multi-million dollar structures going up in one of the worst neighborhoods in America. I don't know how they will be fixing this. They will probably just keep pushing back and vacating the people like they did in Harlem, NY.

Now I know I'm being politically incorrect but I grew up in this shit and it is no fun. I can't imagine the people who shell out these hundreds of thousands and or millions for a condo and have o live in that shit.

Another thing is the homeless people. I hear they finally moving Camilus house farther away which is great. And of course the guy getting jumped by a homeless man going to work the other day is bullshit. You want to have a thriving downtown you can not have this going on. Everyone need s to feel safe.

However, it'll take a while and when I say a while a couple of years close 10 or maybe even 15 to get everything utilized. Miami will never be 24/7 bustling metropolis. Sorry. But I will continue to have faith in my hometown.
 

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My biggest thing about CBD is the grimeyness. Now me being from that grimeyness says a lot. The city really needs to do something about this. You have these huge multi-million dollar structures going up in one of the worst neighborhoods in America. I don't know how they will be fixing this. They will probably just keep pushing back and vacating the people like they did in Harlem, NY.

Now I know I'm being politically incorrect but I grew up in this shit and it is no fun. I can't imagine the people who shell out these hundreds of thousands and or millions for a condo and have o live in that shit.

Another thing is the homeless people. I hear they finally moving Camilus house farther away which is great. And of course the guy getting jumped by a homeless man going to work the other day is bullshit. You want to have a thriving downtown you can not have this going on. Everyone need s to feel safe.

However, it'll take a while and when I say a while a couple of years close 10 or maybe even 15 to get everything utilized. Miami will never be 24/7 bustling metropolis. Sorry. But I will continue to have faith in my hometown.
i agree miami is just going to be like LA and Chicago but never like NYC
 

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Are you guys talkin on terms of night life? I think SoBe has world class night life, maybe not the CBD of Miami, though thats what this thread is about, SoBe is always right across the Bay and is goin all night long, right?
south beach is not in downtown, so it has nothing to do with this thread, i do agree that most tourist go to miami beach and not the city of miami itself, they also go to coconut grove, hollywood, and the areas surrounding miami, but i do know some people that like to see the suburbs, i think that all of the suburbs except liberty city and little haiti, have nice houses, hialeah, little havana have pretty good houses, not the best but not the worst.
 

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I found this on Transitmiami.com, it's some ignorant comments from people about why northern downtown and Park West are so bad:

"Thats what you get when you build up and not out. It creates a perminet shadowscape for pestilence and riff-raff. Let me put this way so Paris Hilton can understand it: "Like, no duh.""
-Anonymous

"Why are there homeless people still around Miami-Dade when we are paying a half penny of sales tax?It was just another socialist scam that produces nothing."
-JAV

"Ever since Mayor Manny Diaz became mayor,we never hear negative criticism of his administration.He appears to be the darling of the Herald,etc.If Mayor Carollo were in office they would be wanting his head.This man has done nothing,but get richer.He is a dolittle that the media just loves."
-JAV


What do you think about these comments?
 

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To "coruna" when referring to the CBD, yes i did mean north of the river and south of 395. Although Brickell is in the downtown area, because of its drastic difference on so many levels, I would not assoicate it as part of the same neighborhood of what's north of the river. As much as I love brickell, being that its my favorite part of miami, I was trying to find the 8th street 1-95 entrance today and I got lost driving through a really bad area. This was the area just west of miami avenue. Although its extremely close to Brickell, it is very rundown and the roads are beyond confusing. I hope this area is improved in the future because such a dumpy area so near brickell can't be that good. Another thing I wanted to point out about why the CBD is so terrible (north of 1-95 ) is the architecture along the corriders of 1st, 2nd. flageler and so on. Never have i seen such ugly designs and painting schemes in any major city's downtown. With the exceptions of the fantastic looking INgrahm building, Du pont building, the 1928 courthouse, and the FRONT of the Gusman center, Flagler has some of the ugliest buildings known to man. The 3 or 4 story flager station building is an abomination of man's architectural achievements. The terrible opaque glass and exterior shape could not be more unaesthetically pleasing. Additionaly, although Macy's may be doing something soon, their building looks like the set for SAW III, not a department store. With that cool overpass that they have with the cafe, one would thinnk how it is possible that such a prime location can be let to rot. I really hope that some of these ugly 70's and 80's architectural buildings are demolished and paved for 5 -10 story commercial masterpieces
 

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pics please

^^ this is the kind of post that leaves wanting to see the buildings you're talking about, I'm drawing a blank on most of them... anyone know the ugly flagler station building mentioned and has any pics by any chance?
 

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Like I said in the other thread though there is a lot of the CBD itself that is nasty and needs to be fixed up, and by CBD I'm talking about interior areas north of the river, especially further north closer to I-95 and I-395.
You might consider sticking to the definitions that have existed for years and years. If you need guidance for word definitions, check the dictionary. If you need guidance for neighborhood defiinitions, check this map.
 

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You might consider sticking to the definitions that have existed for years and years. If you need guidance for word definitions, check the dictionary. If you need guidance for neighborhood defiinitions, check this map.
If you want to use that definition then I have a huge problem with this thread. That area is fine, it's the area called "park west" and "SE Overtown" that is a problem. On SSC I've heard many of you define the CBD as everything south of I-395, east of I-95, west of Biscayne and north of the river. I was just using the definition that had been given to me by other SSC members....but now I see what you mean but I think that area is fine (the southern two-thirds, the northern part is sketchy), all of those things mentioned in this thread are more about the northern areas (north of Flagler, south of NE/NW 5th Street) and Park West.
 

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I'm catiously optimistic.

Will it ever be a frenetic 24/7 downtown like New York or Tokyo? No. The dynamics just aren't there, plus a LOT of those new residential units are clearly gonna sit empty a good portion of the year. That's just reality.

But I also believe it will eventually get a LOT better...just like countless other American downtowns have in recent decades. There'll be enough infill and permanent residency to make the core far less boring than it has been. I think it could certainly reach a level of year-round downtown activity seen in places like San Diego and Portland over the next decade or so...which ain't bad at all if you've been to those cities lately.
I would like to see downtown Miami transform into a cosmopolitan futuritic city like you see in the old cartoon of the JETSONS.
 

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I would like to see downtown Miami transform into a cosmopolitan futuritic city like you see in the old cartoon of the JETSONS.
When you're drving on the 836 expressway right at the toll booth heading east,you look around and you see the beautiful skyline of Miami(including financial district),the skyline of Coconut Grove,Coral Way,Coral Gables,Blue Lagoon,Civic Center District and the Omni district and say to yourself what an impressive city this is and how much better its going to get.Its great to be from Miami.
 

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When you're drving on the 836 expressway right at the toll booth heading east,you look around and you see the beautiful skyline of Miami(including financial district),the skyline of Coconut Grove,Coral Way,Coral Gables,Blue Lagoon,Civic Center District and the Omni district and say to yourself what an impressive city this is and how much better its going to get.Its great to be from Miami.
Very true, and that vantage point from 836 is truly spectacular. You can see the skylines of all the main parts of Miami, and truly appreciate the size and urbanity of the city. It will only get better. In order to accomplish that, the interior CBD must be improved but I'm confident that will happen.
 

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i live in NYC and Manhattan has a lot of empty apartments that people owe but live somewhere else.
its not just miami. in every cool city people have investments or second home
 
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