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Apro questo thread per chiedere un'informazione: sul forum italiano abbiamo un thread dedicato alle scoperte archeologiche? Ho cercato in giro ma non l'ho trovato. Sul forum greco ve n'è uno, che noi siamo da meno:jk:?
Si potrebbe iniziare(se non c'è) con le notizie dei ritrovamenti postate tra ieri ed oggi sul thread di Roma...
 

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pensavo si trattasse dei ritrovamenti di Mr. U
 

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hanno trovato dei Mr.U archeologici?

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07/31/2009

GRAND CANAL PREDATED VENICE

Ancient Roman City Lost, Now Found

The lost Roman city of Altinum has been found in Italy. Sophisticated aerial images released this week reveal fascinating new details about Venice's predecessor, which was abandoned by its citizens and then sank into the lagoon.

After a long search, the ancient city of Altinum -- considered to be the predecessor of Venice -- has been discovered. In a report published this week in Science, archaeologists at the University of Padua also report that the most popular of Venetian tourist attractions, the Grand Canal, was flowing through the Roman trade town as long as 1,500 years ago.

Altinum plays a major role in Venice's history -- it was one of the richest Roman settlements but inhabitants fled before the advance of the armies of Attila the Hun. Then as water levels rose, the abandoned city sank into the lagoon. Its walls remain covered by fields today. And this is why the ancient city has remained undiscovered for such a long time.


On a modern map, Altinum is situated seven kilometers north of Venice, near the Marco Polo airport. It is the only large Roman city in northern Italy and one of the few in Europe that was not buried beneath medieval or modern towns.

The team of researchers, led by Andrea Ninfo, mapped the city in detail using aerial photography. They also used pictures taken in conjunction with a variety of infra-red filters. During a particularly dry period in the summer of 2007, when plants were stressed and more stonework appeared, the outlines of buildings in the ancient city became more visible. "Everything is just as it was. When we saw the picture we couldn't believe it," Italian archaeologist and co-author of the paper Alessandro Fontana, told Times of London.


According to archaeologists, Venice's ancestor was surrounded by rivers and canals, including one large canal that ran through the center of the city and connected it with the lagoon.

A digital reconstruction of the area shows that the city stood two to three meters above what was then the sea level. The structure of Altinum was complex and perfectly suited to the particular demands of the swampy environment. Researchers say that it looks like the Romans knew how best to build on this harsh, swampy landscape -- long before they began the construction of Venice in the middle of a lagoon.

ecb -- with wires
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,639482,00.html

Behold! Aerial images of the ancient city of Altinum (left) were processed by a team at the University of Padua to reveal the layout of a Roman trading center (right).
Credit: Andrea Ninfo et al., Science (31 July 2009)


 

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Team of Archaeologists Find Ancient Roman Ships Near Island

07/24/2009

A team of archaeologists using sonar technology to scan the seabed have discovered a "graveyard" of five pristine ancient Roman shipwrecks off the small Italian island of Ventotene.

The trading vessels, dating from the first century BC to the fifth century AD, lie more than 100 meters underwater and are amongst the deepest wrecks discovered in the Mediterranean in recent years, the researchers said on Thursday, informs Reuters.

The ships are submerged between 100 and 150 meters (about 330 to 490 feet) off Ventotene, a tiny island that is part of an archipelago off Italy's west coast between Rome and Naples.

The ships carried amphorae — vases used for holding wine, olive oil and other products — as well as kitchen tools and metal and glass objects that have yet to be identified, Italy's Culture Ministry said. The spot was highly trafficked, and hit by frequent storms and dangerous sea currents.

The discovery is part of a new drive by archaeological officials to scan deeper levels of the sea and prevent looting of submerged treasures, The Associated Press reports.

"The ships appear to have been heading for safe anchorage, but they never made it," Timmy Gambin, head of archaeology for the Aurora Trust told Reuters.

"So in a relatively small area we have five wrecks...a graveyard of ships."

Discovered about 100 meters underwater near the Italian island of Ventotene, the ships were carrying wine from Italy, fish sauce, known as garum from Spain and north Africa, and metal ingots from Italy, believed to have been used in statues or weapons, reports RedOrbit.
http://newsfromrussia.com/news/society/24-07-2009/108386-shipwrecks-0



This photo taken in June 2009 and made available on Friday, July 24, 2009 by the Italian Culture Ministry and the Aurora Trust, shows Italian Carabinier divers coming to surface with an ancient mortar, found with other objects off the coast of Ventotene, a tiny island part of an archipelago between Rome and Naples, Italy. Archaeology officials say they have found five well-preserved Roman shipwrecks off a small Mediterranean island, with their cargo of amphorae, pots and other objects largely intact. They date from the 1st century B.C. to the 4th century and carried wine amphorae, kitchen tools and some metal and glass objects that have yet to be identified, Italy's Culture Ministry said. (AP Photo/Courtesy of the Italian Culture Ministry and the Aurora Trust, ho) NO SALES




 

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Grandissimo! Credo che sarebbe meglio metterlo fuori dallo skybar, meglio "foto e architetture storiche" o "storia,architettura,cultura"?Io opterei per la seconda...
 

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VENEZIA - LA RICERCA PUBBLICATA DALLA RIVISTA SCIENCE. IL RICERCATORE: «È LA SOLA GRANDE CITTÀ ROMANA NEL NORD ITALIA CHE NON È STATA SOTTERRATA DA QUELLE SORTE SUCCESSIVAMENTE»

I geografi scoprono l'antenata di Venezia
Ricostruita la pianta dell'antica Altino
Ponti, canali, teatri: un'equipe di Padova, guidata dal professor Mozzi, ha ricostruito la città. Occupava il nord della laguna prima della nascita della Serenissima

PADOVA - Ponti, canali, mura, abitazioni, e poi costruzioni monumentali quali il teatro, la basilica e il foro: è stata ricostruita in tutto il suo splendore la topografia di Altino, l«antenatà di Venezia, la città romana che occupava la zona della laguna settentrionale e che aveva già un sofisticato sistema architettonico completamente adattato all’ambiente lagunare.
A fotografarla in ogni dettaglio, in uno studio di telerilevamento pubblicato sulla rivista Science e basato su foto aeree anche a infrarossi, è stata l’equipe coordinata da Paolo Mozzi del dipartimento di Geografia dell’Università di Padova, insieme, tra gli altri, ad Andrea Ninfo. «I nostri risultati - spiega Mozzi - ottenuti principalmente attraverso l’elaborazione di foto aeree scattate nello spettro del visibile e dell’infrarosso (comprate da Telespazio) e con un metodo di ricostruzione in 3D detto di elevazione digitale, suggeriscono che c’era una apertura di Altino verso la laguna, che era un porto protetto usato anche per traffici mercantili».
La città di Altino, nota dal XIX secolo, era già abitata nel primo millennio A. C. dai paleoveneti, poi nel II secolo A. C. fu annessa a Roma. I Romani ampliarono la città, valorizzando la zona attraverso interventi di bonifica. «Noi ne abbiamo ricostruito la struttura, tracciato la mappa - spiega Mozzi - perchè finora ci si limitava a sapere che Altino era lì ma senza sapere come fosse fatta». Le foto usate nello studio danno una visione di quello che c’è subito al di sotto del terreno arato e sono state scattate nel 2007 in un periodo di grave siccità, per questo hanno reso possibile vedere bene i resti sotto il terreno (che corrispondono alla città di epoca romana). Ne emerge un quadro molto dettagliato: «Vediamo una cinta muraria - descrive Mozzi - un teatro, un anfiteatro fuori le mura, la basilica, il foro con il mercato, poi una strada principale connessa con la via Annia; si vede inoltre un canale che taglia in due la città e va in direzione della laguna. Considerando il livello del mare in età romana - continua Mozzi - quel canale doveva essere connesso con la laguna, inoltre era connesso con i fiumi e quindi rappresentava un punto di raccordo tra sistemi fluviale e lagunare». A ridosso delle mura, inoltre, il canale forma una porta acquea e le mura diventano ponte.
«Con dimensioni comparabili a quelle di Pompei - spiega Mozzi - Altinum è la sola grande città Romana nel Nord Italia e una delle poche in Europa che non è stata sotterrata dalle città sorte successivamente, medievali e moderne ed è per questo che possiamo vedere così bene le strutture cittadine dell’epoca romana», si vedono addirittura le case e le strade interne. «I nostri risultati indicano l’esistenza di una complessa struttura urbana con varia e spettacolare architettura che si è adattata alla peculiarità dell’ambiente lagunare - si legge su Science. Questi dati mostrano che i Romani riuscirono con successo a sfruttare l’ambiente anfibio parecchi secoli prima che la città di Venezia cominciò ad emergere sull’arcipelago in mezzo alla laguna».
C’è tuttora un lavoro in corso in accordo con la Regione Veneto e la Sovrintendenza, spiega Mozzi, per verificare lo stato di conservazione delle strutture nel sottosuolo, considerando che Altino è stata ’smontatà e spogliata dei suoi materiali preziosi per costruire la vicina Torcello e Venezia. Un’opera di scavi sarebbe troppo complicata, conclude Mozzi, ma questo lavoro e le nostre ricerche in corso permetteranno di capire quanto c’è di intatto di questo importante patrimonio storico e archeologico.

30 luglio 2009

Ancient Roman City Rises Again
By Andrew Curry
ScienceNOW Daily News
30 July 2009

From the ground, a 100-hectare site just north of Italy's Venice airport looks like nothing more than rolling fields of corn and soybeans. But it's actually home to a buried Roman metropolis called Altinum, considered the precursor of ancient Venice. Now, using sophisticated aerial imagery, researchers have brought this city to life once again.
Archaeologists have known for decades that Altinum, a Roman trading center that thrived between the 1st and 5th centuries C.E., lay below these farm fields. Raised 2 to 3 meters above the surrounding marshy lagoon by centuries of human habitation, the city was approximately the size of Pompeii. Its history could stretch back to the Bronze Age, and it dominated the region for at least 600 years before it became a part of the Roman Empire.

But all traces of Altinum's buildings have long since disappeared, either stolen as building material or swamped by rising water levels in the surrounding lagoon. So how to map a city with no visible ruins? In July 2007, during a severe drought, Paolo Mozzi, a geomorphologist at the University of Padua in Italy, and his team took aerial photos of the site in several wavelengths of visible light and in near-infrared, with a resolution of half a meter.

When the images were processed to tease out subtle variations in plant water stress, a buried metropolis emerged. The researchers discovered that the crops planted on the land were in different stages of ripening, thanks to differences in the amount of water in the soil. Lighter crops traced the outlines of buildings--including a basilica, an amphitheater, a forum, and what may have been temples--buried at least 40 centimeters below the surface. To the south of the city center runs a wide strip of riper crops. They were growing above what clearly used to be a canal, an indication that Venice's Roman forebears were already incorporating waterways into their urban fabric.

In fact, Altinum's end may have been Venice's beginning. The first century Roman historian Strabo mentions Altinum's importance: Its location near both heavily traveled sea routes and along roads running north to the edges of the Roman Empire made it a critical mercantile center. But as waves of barbarians invaded, Altinum was a ripe target. Finally, in the 7th century C.E., a Lombard invasion pushed the city's beleaguered residents onto the defensible islands of the Venice lagoon.

Altinum was eventually abandoned entirely. Most of the ancient city's stones were stolen in the Middle Ages to be reused elsewhere. Land-reclamation efforts in the 19th century turned the area from marsh into farm fields. "Altinum is unique because it was not built upon in later times," Mozzi says. Previous archaeological excavations have focused mainly on the city's necropolis, located outside the walls; this is the first-ever glimpse of the city's layout.

Local officials are enthusiastic about the study, which will be published in tomorrow's issue of Science. "Before what Professor Mozzi has done, it was impossible to imagine the complexity and distribution of the main buildings and structures of the municipium," Margherita Tirelli, inspector of the Archaeological Superintendence of Veneto and director of the National Archaeological Museum of Altinum, writes in an e-mail.

Mozzi and his team are planning further survey work, including scans of the area with a remote-sensing technology known as LIDAR, which will help create a higher-resolution topographic map of the site. The team also plans to sample soil at the site to see whether environmental conditions, such as flooding or drought, might have contributed to Altinum's abandonment. The images will help archaeologists pinpoint the best locations for future excavation, Tirelli says: "They will help us very, very much in our future work of conserving the ancient site of Altinum. At the moment, we have a lot of hopes and plans but no money."


 

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Secondo voi, li sotto, quanto è rimasto effettivamente? Ho letto che prossimamente potrebbe partire una campagna di scavi...
 

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Venezia xe Romana?


Ma Stranfier è d'accordo? :shocked: :D
 

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No!Zitto, un'altra polemica no:evil:! Qui vorrei rimanere sul serio...:angel1:


P.S.:Venezia xe...
 

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Potremmo citare anche quanto è stato ritrovato recentemente durante gli scavi per la metropolitana di Napoli: due navi, un porto, un tempio, dei muraglioni...
 

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Ho letto a suo tempo, se vuoi c'è il thread archeologico appena aperto, anzi, mi farebbe piacere le postassi, visto che ha bisogno di crescere con tutte le notizie recenti o degli ultimi 2 anni. Ho ribadito la notizia qui solo perchè speravo che qualcuno mi esprimesse la sua opinione(come gentilmente ha fatto Vittorio Tauber sull'altro thread). Sai, di città romane non ne spuntano una all'anno e sono un pò emozionato...
 
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