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Old National Stadium Still Awaiting Demolition

It was confirmed yesterday that the demolition of the Old Tokyo National Stadium will not begin until at least mid-December, five months later than initially planned. Procedural issues caused the setback.

The first round of bids for the demolition job failed because all the bids were too high, and a second round was held at the start of summer. There was a complaint of irregularities in the summer bid round. Now another round of bidding will have to be held in order to select the preferred contractor.

Source: http://stadiumdb.com/news/2014/10/tokyo_national_stadium_still_awaiting_demolition
 

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Zaha Hadid's Tokyo stadium will be "a disgrace to future generations" says Arata Isozaki

Japanese architect Arata Isozaki has hit out at the redesign of Zaha Hadid's Tokyo 2020 Olympic stadium, branding it "a monumental mistake" that has left him "in despair".

In a lengthy statement released to the media, 83-year-old Isozaki – one of Japan's leading architects – said he was "shocked" to see the lack of "dynamism" in Zaha Hadid's newest proposal for the 80,000-seat stadium, which was recently redesigned following protests over the original scheme.

Isozaki likened the new proposal to "a turtle waiting for Japan to sink so that it can swim away".

"The sight left me in despair," said the architect, whose own works include the Palau Sant Jordi built in Barcelona for the 1992 Olympic Games and the Palasport Olimpico used during the Turin Winter Olympics of 2006.

"If the stadium gets built the way it is, Tokyo will surely be burdened with a gigantic white elephant," he said.

Hadid's earlier design for the stadium became the focus of controversy when Tokyo won the bid to host the games back in September last year. Architects including Toyo Ito, Sou Fujimoto, Kengo Kuma and Riken Yamamoto voiced their objections to its scale and cost.

Since then, Hadid has made changes to the shape of the building, specifying materials that will be visually lighter and more cost-efficient – a move that Isozaki said "satisfies nobody".

Isozaki, who saw the proposal exhibited at the Tokyo Opera City Art Gallery in Shinjuku, described the redesign as a compromise to Hadid's artistic vision. If it is built as proposed currently, he believes it will become "a disgrace to future generations".

Isozaki urged the organisers to either return to the original competition-winning design, or allow Hadid to completely redesign the complex.

"Her professional skills are outstanding. No matter how difficult the situation, with personal, active participation she is capable of leaving her signature on the design. However, not even a glimpse of that can be seen in the current revised proposal," he said.

The architect called for the brief to be altered, so that Hadid's stadium will no longer host the opening and closing ceremonies – making the stadium more financially viable.

These, he suggested, could instead be held outside the Imperial Palace moat at a purpose-built venue by SANAA principal Kazuyo Sejima, whose own stadium design was a runner up in the competition.

"By taking this route, we can present an event to the rest of the world that is unconstrained by the traditional size of an arena, against a backdrop of scenery that represents the heart of Japan, not just Tokyo," he said. "By doing so, we can create a new format for the Olympics of the 21st century, here in Tokyo."

Zaha Hadid's firm, who previously designed the aquatics centre for the London 2012 Olympics, responded: "As with all views on both sides of the discussion, we respect Mr Isozaki's right to express his thoughts."

Describing the current scheme as "user-focused, adaptable and sustainable", the studio added: "All projects around the world go through this process of design evolution. The stadium's scheme design has been developed with our Japanese partners and responds to the revised brief issued by the client earlier this year."
http://www.dezeen.com/2014/11/10/zaha-hadid-tokyo-stadium-olympic-disgrace-arata-isozaki/
 

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As someone who actually admires the design of the proposed National Stadium, I'll have to respectfully disagree with Arata Isozaki on any points he is bringing up. Everyone has to hate the design of the stadium very badly and whine about it, and for all the wrong reasons.

And on the article above, he also suggested that the opening and closing ceremonies may be removed from the site of the new National Stadium. I disagree with this, too, and I don't see how that will actually make the stadium more financially viable. This will only devalue the status of main Olympic Stadium (of the Summer Olympics) and essentially make the status meaningless. Rio de Janeiro is already planning to host their opening/closing ceremonies in 2016 outside the main Olympic Stadium. I don't see that purpose-built venue near the Imperial Palace getting developed. Arata Isozaki and Kazuyo Sejima want the Tokyo Organizing Committee to back themselves into a corner about the new stadium and destroy the Olympic movement with their suggested proposal.

Whatever issues are holding up work on that National Stadium site needs to be resolved ASAP. I think at this point, they have around 3 years to construct this thing. Maybe if the new stadium was constructed under budget (if it can't, then I don't know what comes under budget these days), then maybe it wouldn't be such a "white elephant". It's not like the new stadium isn't going to hold any other events after the Rugby World Cup and the 2020 Olympics.

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So the way i see it, Japan is stuck between 2 groups.

Group One wants a dynamic AMAZING stadium to be on par in design with The Bird Nest because China can't out do Japan on this grand a stage, that would be a disgrace to national pride!

Group Two says Screw the fancy design and keeping up with China, we dont want to go bankrupt paying for this and we want it to be more functional, there is no need for an 80,000 seat stadium in Japan because what would we host there? Also it would ruin the feng shui of the city.
 

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Still No Demolition of Old National Stadium

After problematic tender procedures, now an investigation is underway over possible bid-rigging. The planned demolition of the present Tokyo National Stadium is already a half-year behind schedule.

From StadiumDB.com; First reported by the Japan Times.
 

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So the way i see it, Japan is stuck between 2 groups.

Group One wants a dynamic AMAZING stadium to be on par in design with The Bird Nest because China can't out do Japan on this grand a stage, that would be a disgrace to national pride!

Group Two says Screw the fancy design and keeping up with China, we dont want to go bankrupt paying for this and we want it to be more functional, there is no need for an 80,000 seat stadium in Japan because what would we host there? Also it would ruin the feng shui of the city.

So, the duel begins:
Bird's nest versus bicycle helmet

 

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So the way i see it, Japan is stuck between 2 groups.

Group One wants a dynamic AMAZING stadium to be on par in design with The Bird Nest because China can't out do Japan on this grand a stage, that would be a disgrace to national pride!

Group Two says Screw the fancy design and keeping up with China, we dont want to go bankrupt paying for this and we want it to be more functional, there is no need for an 80,000 seat stadium in Japan because what would we host there? Also it would ruin the feng shui of the city.
Who seriously believes a city the size of Tokyo cannot sustain an 80,000 seat stadium?
 

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Who seriously believes a city the size of Tokyo cannot sustain an 80,000 seat stadium?
Tokyo believes they cant. What would they fill it with on an annual basis? Why do you need an 80,00 seat stadium for the olympics? Because China had one? What's wrong with a 50,000 seat stadium that doe not bankrupt your city?
 

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^^Maybe the New National Stadium can be used for a future solo hosting of the FIFA World Cup in Japan? And their existing stadium was boring, and getting rid of the existing stadium to make room for a new one was the only option?
 

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^^Maybe the New National Stadium can be used for a future solo hosting of the FIFA World Cup in Japan? And their existing stadium was boring, and getting rid of the existing stadium to make room for a new one was the only option?
I'm am not arguing against building a new stadium. But do they need one so big and so fancy? It seems to just be a way to compete with China on something that we will see for 2 weeks and forget about.
 

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I'm am not arguing against building a new stadium. But do they need one so big and so fancy? It seems to just be a way to compete with China on something that we will see for 2 weeks and forget about.
The National Stadium plan was in the works before Tokyo knew it would be hosting the Olympics. The first major event it will host will be the Rugby World Cup Final in 2019.

I don't see this as trying to compete with China; it's more the case that they're building a modern new national stadium just as the French did with the Stade de Frane, the English with the new Wembley.
 

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The construction notice sign for the new National Olympic Stadium has been put up at the site, it gives us a bit more information on the schedule and the scale of the stadium.

height: 70m
Total floorspace: 219.500 m2
start construction: October 2015
complete: March 2019






Old stadium demolition update:







source:
http://view-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/town/?p=11907
 

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In the early 1990s, the Tokyo Metropolitan Gymnasium was redeveloped. In the early-to-mid 2010s, the Tokyo National Stadium is being redeveloped. After that happens, should the Meiji Jingu Baseball Stadium and the Chichibunomiya Rugby Stadium be redeveloped via demolition and replacement with more modern stadiums as well?
 
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