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^^I never thought a tram could be that modern and good...I thought that tram's are now oldies...like in many cities. But this idea of the green space and on it the tram fits exactly to the Valiasr street with all the tree's there. Hopefully Qalibaf implants this project. That would be great, at least better than a one way street which is really a solution for just a few years, after that a one way street also can't resolve the problem.
 

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I also tried to immagine a tram connection (yellow line, 11 km), mainly on the axis from Haft-e-Tir to Meydan Vali Asr and Parkeh Laleh, on Boulvard Karim Khan Zand and Boulvard Keshawarz. It is all but a serious proposal, just to show the role a tramway line could have in Tehran:
secondary to metro but much better than buses.
That is the point!:)
Tramways have average spead 15-25km/h (depend of properties), but save energy, oxigen in downtown, and it is for jurneys 1-12 km. By better accessibility it is concurence to metro for <2,5km, for 2,5<X<6km it is shared zones, and for longer jurney metro is better (if there is metro).
As we can see all existing and planned metro lines create a dense pattern in the city core, i.e. This cannot be achieved by a tram line.
For cities like Istanbul and Tehran metro need to be frame network, but Paris tried to replace all surface with standard "one underground station in 500m for evry point". They made mistake because metro became very slow, sometimes need changing 3-4 times lines (all are linear metros), and they should add bus network and RER like rapid regional metro. They just started to make new tramlines before 20 years, and now have 40km with plans for new extensions. Only metro with surface can make effective "spider network" for public transport. Don`t remember that cities like New York, Paris, Moscow, London have only 25-35% of all city transit by metro!

Not only in France, tramway systems was destroyed in a lot of European and North American cities, in NA in 1930-ies and 1940-ies, in Europe in 1950-ies and 1960-ies, because there was cheap oil, busses was new fashion, old tramways was little and slow (at begginings of trams with max speed 30-40km/h they was faster then anything), development of tramway technology was stopped. Also old tramways didn`t have tramway lanes in downtown and had lot of traffic problems with more and more cars and busses.

In NA only Toronto, Boston and New Orleans saved tramways. In west Europe, there was few cities where was very hard organisations for saving them like people and cultural reach. In Germany, Belgium, Netherland and Swiss they saved tramway systems, and (especialy in Germany), they converted it in at second half of XX century in underground tramways (light rail). In NA they started for 1980-ies to build light rails (underground in downtown, tramways in wide area of the city). And for this year start new age for tramways like light rail. At last 20 years there was many new tram (light rail) systems in Turkey, France, Portugal, Italy, England. There was also in Atina and Tunisia.

In socialistic countries the most of tram systems was saved. Just now, Russia is the country with the most tram systems in the world, but now Russia and Ukraina neglect there tram systems when all the world build new:bash: They just need only some modernisation.

Just in former Yugoslavia there was tramways in Ljubljana, Maribor, Portoroz (Slovenia), Osijek, Opatija, Dubrovnik, Zagreb, Rijeka (Croatia), Sarajevo (Bosnia), Subotica, Novi Sad, Beograd, Nis (Serbia). For those 13 there was saved only 4 (Zagreb, Osijek, Sarajevo, Beograd), and other was closed 1956 or 1959 (Subotica 1973.) for same reason like in west Europe. When Zagreb, Osijek and Sarajevo never cutted there systems, Beograd lost (the rest of rotting capitalism:bash:) trams in the middle of downtown in 1947, and replace it with ( symbol of a new socialist era) trolleybusses. In 1980-ies there was extensions of tram network to suburbs, but they will never build again trams in the middle of downtown. Since the Beograd metro they remained only politicians promisses, and urban structure with unplanned building need metro, but by now tramway with lot of (traffic mistakes) is the best transportation in Beograd. Some advocates of the metro very ugly talk about the tram considering it a way to evade the metro, which is not correct.
 

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herbicide, the more you post pics of super modern looking tams, the more people here will find them ugly.

I can only understand them a bit. they think these trams dont fit into the picture of tehran, and thats not that wrong.
however whats driving along iranian streets currently is not much prettier, especially those ugly iran khodro buses stuck in the heavy traffic.

and there are also very moderate (and at the same time modern) looking trams that would fit into tehrans picture very well.
here for example is made by alstom. they also produce locomotives for iranian railways




I could picture this one very well in tehrans streets, including valiasr. also the color can be chosen in a way that it that it fits to the rest of the city. I would say in tehrans case it would be a warm color.

I think the streets of tehran are very suited for trams. they are all very broad already, with often 3 lanes on each side.
they only need to sacrifice on lane on each side.


from what I have heard tehranis are very ready to leave the car at home and use public transportation, in case they could reach their destination with public transport as well.
so I think once we have a decent system of metro's, trams and buses all linked with each other, reaching every corner of the city, we will have a decrease of cars on the streets.
those who still want to drive cars because they "goshad tashif daran" :)D), need to be taught a lesson. they need to sit in their car, stuck in traffic, breathing in the fumes, sweating their asses off and then see a tram passing them very smoothly and efficient being much faster than them, so they can draw their conclusions themselves then.


trams have an average high speed of 80 km/h
 

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badgir, I never knew anything of that planned metro line 3.

do you have more information on it?

it seems to be an awesome idea. I was always thinking that the central station needed to be connected by the metro, and also that only one north-south line wasnt enough for a huge city like tehran.
its good that they are building a metro. trams cant replace metro's anyway. trams have a too low capacity, speed and distance between stations in comparison to metro's.
so they could never embody the sole public transport connection of the central railway station of tehran.
nevertheless the central station has to be connected with the valiasr-tram as well.


anytime I'm thinking that people over there in iran are stupid, I am proven a better.
I was also thinking that how stupid they were to not connect the mehrabad airport with the metro, untill I found out that they were already :D
there are many more such examples.
 

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badgir, I never knew anything of that planned metro line 3.

do you have more information on it?

it seems to be an awesome idea. I was always thinking that the central station needed to be connected by the metro, and also that only one north-south line wasnt enough for a huge city like tehran.
Here is the network map from Tehran's Municipality Website with planned lines included:



From South to North, (planned) line 3 follows the spur of the Tehran-Qom railway, passes right under the Railway station, then follows the southern section of Vali Asr up to Abbas Abad (Beheshti), following the latter to end somewhere in Majidiyeh.

Indeed the northern part of Valiasr has no metro planned, so tram may be an option. But the original post was talking about tram INSTEAD of metro, which in my opinion is wrong.

Here are more details about the network design:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=4366318&postcount=1
 

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Tram is specialy good in the vicinity of the railway and bus stations. If some person, especialy if he/her isn`t so strong it is uncomfortable going upstairs, downstairs, changing more lines. If he/her is turist, it is better to see aboveground city and (commercial objects, better for turistic economy). By statistics I got, old people don`t want to use subways so much.

The best is to have plan for 200km of subway, and 300-400km of tramway like secondary network, because, there are a lot of short distance transport needs. Density is one of parameters of good transport network.

Just imagine anything other on the surface in those streets: Eskisehir and Zagreb. Trams are often symbols of the city, one of the first thing someone see exiting the railway station.



One more picturee from Eskisehir:


Few from Zagreb:




I like those old trams from Zagreb, but by next year, they would be only in museum.
 

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Just imagine anything other on the surface in those streets: Eskisehir and Zagreb.
I like the first picture, it could be very much Valiasr. Just I cannot see the joobs in he picture :)
(For those who don't know, the joobs are those water canals between the sidewalks and the street which are so typical for many streets in Tehran)
 

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So is it going ahead, I was in some southern area of Tehran the other day and was suprised to see some tram system, I am not sure which area it was placed in but I was pleasantly suprised by this!
 

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idunko it might be that, i dun think they removed the rails, i mean, they wouldnt care haha

like theres still some electric wires over the streets of central tehran where there used to be electric buses, man what happened to those?


anywa, i hope they make the tramway line so it can replace the brt, the brt is better in other places it just takes too much space in pahlavi street , a tramway is perfect especially like the one in zagreb oh itl be so functional and efficient
 

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Well there was still electric trolley busses between Meydan Emam Khomeini and Terminal e Sharq last time I was there in April 2008.
 

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^^ Damn! Thats a real pity. Getting rid of electric busses and using busses that add to the severe pollution problem. Thats nuts!
 
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