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This is really a shame what's going on now with Turkey and its current government.

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Turkish document defines Israel as 'central threat'

National Security Council in Ankara decides to remove Syria, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia from list of countries that pose threat; first time Turkey defines Israel's actions in M.East as threat.

he Turkish National Security Council approved a few days ago significant changes in a document which contains threats against Turkey claiming that Israel is now a major threat to the country, Turkish media reported Saturday.

Israel was redefined as a "major threat" in the document called "The Red Book."

This is the first time that Turkey has defined Israel's actions in the Middle East as a threat towards it.

The document also stated that Israel's actions may cause countries in the region to begin an "arms race."

At the same time the Council decided to remove Syria, Bulgaria, Georgia and Armenia from the list of countries that pose a threat to Turkey.

Iran, which was previously a major threat to Ankara was also removed from the list of countries.

The document is valid for five years.

Greece is still defined as a threat against Turkey, however Turkey's neighbor is considered an external threat. " .

The document also states that the Middle East should be free of nuclear weapons.
 

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חבר1.0;66238687 said:
This is really a shame what's going on now with Turkey and its current government.

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Turkish document defines Israel as 'central threat'

National Security Council in Ankara decides to remove Syria, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia from list of countries that pose threat; first time Turkey defines Israel's actions in M.East as threat.
Azerbaijan and Armenia are prepairing for a major confrontation. Turkey will support Azerbaijan which it considers to be its colony. Russia will probably side with Armenia.

Greece is very friendly to Israel and the relationship could not be better. It demonstrates that Greeks have never forgotten or forgiven the Turkish crimes and consider Turkey a major threat to its interests. The Bulgarian Israeli cooperation is also rising.

The US will act in regard to acknowledging the Armenian genocide. That will bring Turkey down internationally and significantly hurt its standing.

The issue of Cypress continue to present challenges and the latest Turkish conduct will only hurt its interests.

Turkey will have to forget about joining the EU for the foreseeable future if not forever.

An open hostility to Israel will free Israel. Israel should support the Kurds. In fact, an independent and sorereign Kurdistan may be in the best interest of Israel.

The Turkish future looks bleak vis-a-vis the USA and the West. The Turkish actions are a concern but with the regional realignment the Turkish behavior will help Israel to solidify close relationships with those who consider Turkey a threat. Turkey has demonstrated its true colors and Israel is free to pursue its interests without any concern for the Turkish sensitivities.
 

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How can Israel be seen as a threat in the mideast? :dunno:
 

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meh

governments come, governments go and policies never stay static.
 

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Greece is very friendly to Israel and the relationship could not be better. It demonstrates that Greeks have never forgotten or forgiven the Turkish crimes and consider Turkey a major threat to its interests. The Bulgarian Israeli cooperation is also rising.
(1) Greece has never been close to Israel. Any improvements in Greek-Israeli relations would be based on the mentality of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". I am not fond of such thinking.
The US will act in regard to acknowledging the Armenian genocide. That will bring Turkey down internationally and significantly hurt its standing.
What are you talking about?
The issue of Cypress continue to present challenges and the latest Turkish conduct will only hurt its interests.
Huh?
Turkey will have to forget about joining the EU for the foreseeable future if not forever.
I doubt it. Turkey will be able to join the EU at some point in the not-so-distant future if it will want to.
An open hostility to Israel will free Israel. Israel should support the Kurds. In fact, an independent and sorereign Kurdistan may be in the best interest of Israel.
Again, "an enemy of my enemy is my friend".....

The Turkish future looks bleak vis-a-vis the USA and the West. The Turkish actions are a concern but with the regional realignment the Turkish behavior will help Israel to solidify close relationships with those who consider Turkey a threat. Turkey has demonstrated its true colors and Israel is free to pursue its interests without any concern for the Turkish sensitivities.
What are you talking about?
 

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Funny. The question is how can Israel be seen as a central threat to Turkey?
It doesn't state Israel being a central threat to Turkey but stating that it is an indirect threat due to its being a central threat to regional stability and thus Turkey's Middle Eastern interests.

Anyway, in Turkey it is not important what the government sees as a threat to national security, it is important what the Turkish Armed Forces sees as a threat to national security, the armed forces may be laying low now but they will in a crises situation never take orders from an Islamist government if they do not see a threat to national interests.
 

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It doesn't state Israel being a central threat to Turkey but stating that it is an indirect threat due to its being a central threat to regional stability and thus Turkey's Middle Eastern interests.

Anyway, in Turkey it is not important what the government sees as a threat to national security, it is important what the Turkish Armed Forces sees as a threat to national security, the armed forces may be laying low now but they will in a crises situation never take orders from an Islamist government if they do not see a threat to national interests.
But isn't Erdogan trying to undermine the secularist nature of the Turkish Armed Forces?
 

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Azerbaijan and Armenia are prepairing for a major confrontation. Turkey will support Azerbaijan which it considers to be its colony. Russia will probably side with Armenia.

Greece is very friendly to Israel and the relationship could not be better. It demonstrates that Greeks have never forgotten or forgiven the Turkish crimes and consider Turkey a major threat to its interests. The Bulgarian Israeli cooperation is also rising.
Those are bought relationships.If you believe a regular greek or bulgarian gives a shit about Israel or a jew go ahead believe what you want.

The US will act in regard to acknowledging the Armenian genocide. That will bring Turkey down internationally and significantly hurt its standing. Nothing will change.US still has lots of interest for Turkey and lots to lose and won't give up on Turkey for a long time

The issue of Cypress continue to present challenges and the latest Turkish conduct will only hurt its interests.So? This issue remains since 1974,WTF blacklisting Israel will change anything on Cyprus subject?

Turkey will have to forget about joining the EU for the foreseeable future if not forever.Foreseeable? Forget EU, no one believes in it anymore including the government

An open hostility to Israel will free Israel. Israel should support the Kurds. In fact, an independent and sorereign Kurdistan may be in the best interest of Israel.I hope a Kurdish state establishes in the east but unfortunately it won't happen

The Turkish future looks bleak vis-a-vis the USA and the West. The Turkish actions are a concern but with the regional realignment the Turkish behavior will help Israel to solidify close relationships with those who consider Turkey a threat. Turkey has demonstrated its true colors and Israel is free to pursue its interests without any concern for the Turkish sensitivities.Turkey - west relations has been never good but it won't be any worse either.Enemy of my enemy is my friend attitude won't do any good to Israel.You have to understand, your situation is different than any other country..No country will want to lose Turkey over an Israeli - Turkish dispute.Even your father USA wouldn't

Still, I prefer Israel over Iran, Syria etc.. as a friend country.I hope one day relations reach to a normal and stable situation.
 

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But isn't Erdogan trying to undermine the secularist nature of the Turkish Armed Forces?
well, the commanders of the armed forces just yesterday boycotted the President by not attending the Republic day reception at the Presidential Palace.

The Turkish armed forces is a very difficult nut to crack, they are just tolerating the current government at the moment so as not to be seen as the side that destroyed Turkey's relations with the EU and the US (who are so obsessed with democracy and making a model out of Turkey that they cannot see the threat Turkey is facing today)
 

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The reason why they put Israel on the documents is that they aren´t in peace with Syria,Iran,Libanon,Jordan etc...

And Turkey have big business plans with this region.

If you threaten my business partner and trying to destabilize it so i must have an eye on you.

And finally MIT closed the contact to Mossad.No common information interchange anymore.
 

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Israeli-caused instability makes its way to Turkey's security document

The National Security Council (MGK) on Wednesday agreed to make radical changes to a document referred to as the “Red Book,” in which the main threats to Turkey's security are outlined, referring to Israel's instability-inducing actions in the Middle East as a threat.



President Gül chairs the meeting of the MGK. Wednesday’s meeting was the first MGK meeting Gen. Işık Koşaner attended in his capacity as the chief of General Staff.

Turkey's approach to its neighbors has changed with the revisions, which were drafted by a team of experts headed by Prime Ministry Undersecretary Efkan Ala. Syria, Bulgaria, Georgia and Armenia are no longer among Turkey's list of external threats. The changes made to the National Security Policy Document (MGSB), which was drafted by the military in the past, are a sign that the government's priorities are finally reflected in state policy.

Turkey has for the first time referred to Israel's actions in the Middle East as a threat to Turkey. In the section on relations with neighbors and external threats, the document draws attention to the instability in the region caused by Israel and the possibility that Israel's actions may lead the countries in the region to be engaged in an arms race.

The National Security Council convened on Wednesday under the chairmanship of President Abdullah Gül to discuss changes to the MGSB, also known as Turkey’s secret constitution or the Red Book. The statement released after the MGK meeting said, ‘The new MGSB was discussed and approved.’ The new document will be in effect for five years

Turkey's bilateral relations with Israel have also turned into a Gordian knot since the deaths of nine Turks in a lethal attack by Israeli soldiers on a Gaza-bound humanitarian aid convoy on May 31.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/n...kes-its-way-to-turkeys-security-document.html
 

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Policies do change but strategic positions don't change much.

A better question would be are the recent relations due to superficial changes or strategic changes?
We have to blame Obama. That what happens when you elect a no-good president.
 

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The reason why they put Israel on the documents is that they aren´t in peace with Syria,Iran,Libanon,Jordan etc...

And Turkey have big business plans with this region.

If you threaten my business partner and trying to destabilize it so i must have an eye on you.

And finally MIT closed the contact to Mossad.No common information interchange anymore.
Does Israel threaten Iran, Syria and Lebanon or do Iran, Syria and Lebanon threaten Israel?
 

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Israeli people are living in a Parallel universe where rainbows cover skies and all Arabs moved to Antarctica.
 

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We have to blame Obama. That what happens when you elect a no-good president.
And what did happen when we elected Obama?

I'd love to hear your answer.

Does Israel threaten Iran, Syria and Lebanon or do Iran, Syria and Lebanon threaten Israel?
Yes and yes? That is, if we're going by sheer perceptions.
 
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