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The initiation of the planning study for the Broadway West segment of the Millennium Line goes before the Translink Board on June 27th. Some good background info for you in the report.
The study will be conducted in 3 phases and will end in late 2009.

Good to see that UBC is considered the terminus point for the study purposes.

http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/board_files/meet_agenda_min/2007/06_27_07/4.7.pdf
 

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^ thx for the link. great to see that SkyTrain and to an lesser extent LRT is being favoured.....and thank god there's no mention of rapid bus.

hopefully, we'll see the M extended all the way to UBC....it'll be expensive, but it has to be done.


one question, was the Canada Line Broadway-City Hall Station designed for a Millennium Line Station on 10th and Cambie?
 

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one question, was the Canada Line Broadway-City Hall Station designed for a Millennium Line Station on 10th and Cambie?
Yes, I think so. The cut-out panel on the west side of the mezzanine is oriented closer to 10th Ave. than to Broadway.
 

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^ thx.....so i'm guessing the M-Line along 10th would go under the shallow Canada Line tunnel rather than over?
 

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Unless it's at-grade on Broadway!!

Finally found the plan with the knock-out panel at Broadway City Hall:

 

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Wow excellent news, however how long are the platforms going to be for this..30m? 20m? hell maybe they'll cut it back to 10m (the 40m platforms on the Canada line are a bloody joke hopefully they won't screw this line up too). Also, as much as I want to get this line built (because it HAS to be built), it will not attract many NEW transit riders. It'll basically transfer the 100k bus riders down broadway onto a skytrain and the some which is still good news. However, several commuter lines into fraser valley and else where (since we only have one) HAVE to be built in order to drastically increase the ridership levels of transit. Maybe if Ontario can manage to raise $17.5 billion for transit we should be able to scrap a good $5 billion (since we're 1/3 the size) and actually build a descent transit system.
 

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Wow excellent news, however how long are the platforms going to be for this..30m? 20m? hell maybe they'll cut it back to 10m (the 40m platforms on the Canada line are a bloody joke hopefully they won't screw this line up too). Also, as much as I want to get this line built (because it HAS to be built), it will not attract many NEW transit riders. It'll basically transfer the 100k bus riders down broadway onto a skytrain and the some which is still good news. However, several commuter lines into fraser valley and else where (since we only have one) HAVE to be built in order to drastically increase the ridership levels of transit. Maybe if Ontario can manage to raise $17.5 billion for transit we should be able to scrap a good $5 billion (since we're 1/3 the size) and actually build a descent transit system.
If it's SkyTrain, the platforms will be 80 metres long. It's why the Millennium Line at 80 metres also has the same lengths as the Expo Line - it's the same system.

However, if we build the western extension with a different technology....it could be anything. The Canada Line was different because RAVco didn't specify platform lengths in the contract for some reason, and there's no reason for InTransitBC to build anything more than 15,000 pphpd.

Regarding Ontario spending $17.5 billion on transit.....well, we have that too.....it's $3 billion called Gateway. Not Gateway for transit, but sadly, Gateway for highways.
 

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I got a sure fire way to speed up the length of the study: Have these people conducting the study visit Broadway Street and then ask them if a transit line might help.
 

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Thanks for the clarification mr.x and yes it is a shame about the $3 billion spent on Gateway but an apparent lack of funding for public trans (ie. Evergreen).
 

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Ridership on Skytrain

SkyTrain turns profit of $2.72m for 2006
Frank Luba, The Province
Published: Friday, July 13, 2007

SkyTrain is running in the black.

After recovering 100.4 per cent of its operating costs in 2005, Greater Vancouver's automated light-rail system collected 3.6 per cent more revenue than it cost to run in 2006.

Statistics from TransLink, the regional transportation authority, reveal that SkyTrain revenues last year were $78.12 million, compared with costs of $75.394 million for a "profit" of $2.72 million.
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Overall, the transit system recovered 53.7 per cent of its costs from fares, ahead of the target of 52.8 per cent but down from 2005's 56.3 per cent.

A big part of the reason for the SkyTrain success is increased ridership on the Millennium Line.

The older Expo Line, whose cars can be as crowded at peak hours as a sardine tin, has been covering its operating expenses for some time. But losses on the newer Millennium Line, which began operating in 2002, were such that TransLink stopped breaking out figures separately.

In 2003, the Millennium Line cost $17 million more to operate than it generated in revenue. Another $10 million was dropped on various one-time costs for the line.

Daily Millennium Line ridership in the spring of 2003 was 35,900.

Last year weekday usage of the Millennium Line was 69,600, which was finally approaching the 2006 ridership forecast of 75,000 that was predicted by the B.C. government's Rapid Transit Project office in 1999.

Other components of the Greater Vancouver transit system did not recover their operating costs in 2006.

The SeaBus recovered 82.1 per cent of its costs, West Coast Express 76.4 per cent, buses 49.2 per cent and community shuttles 38.1 per cent.

Transit is not generally regarded as a moneymaker. Seattle Metro's fare recovery, for example, is in the 20-per-cent range.

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If the extension were built, Millennium Line ridership could be significantly boosted. The current terminus is poor, but an LRT to Commercial wouldn't really be much better than the existing bus for Central Broadway patrons, just better for UBC students who could avoid transfers.
 

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I got a sure fire way to speed up the length of the study: Have these people conducting the study visit Broadway Street and then ask them if a transit line might help.
Yes, instead of sitting in air-conditioned offices they should conduct their "study" on the 99 B-line during the afternoon rush hour in summertime 30 degree heat. :bash:
 

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why don't they take it along broadway to the arbutus corridor and than use the king ed blvd for above ground and create a station terminus at the south side of the campus out nearer to thunderbird stadium

piss of some millionaire home owners - haha
 

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why don't they take it along broadway to the arbutus corridor and than use the king ed blvd for above ground and create a station terminus at the south side of the campus out nearer to thunderbird stadium

piss of some millionaire home owners - haha
there's no density along King Edward to support a rapid transit line. maybe a B-Line in the long run.
 

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Any ext should be able to accomodate a MINIMUM of 3 MK11 cars.
Vancouverites are use to the tonka toy trains they have.
Even 2 MK11 cars are still considered VERY small by world standards.
Expo has ver high frequency but is still packed evn the few time it use 6 car trains. Vancouver is going to have to extend all it's stations on the EXPO line in less than 20 yeasdrs. Increasing freuncy is not an option.
Any stations should have to be 9 car stations at a mimimum.
 

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Any ext should be able to accomodate a MINIMUM of 3 MK11 cars.
Vancouverites are use to the tonka toy trains they have.
Even 2 MK11 cars are still considered VERY small by world standards.
Expo has ver high frequency but is still packed evn the few time it use 6 car trains. Vancouver is going to have to extend all it's stations on the EXPO line in less than 20 yeasdrs. Increasing freuncy is not an option.
Any stations should have to be 9 car stations at a mimimum.
They can't build platforms that are only 3-cars long for the Broadway extension, they all have to be 80 metres long like the rest of the SkyTrain platforms.

I agree, but the Canada Line goes beyond "tonka train".....more like a line with severe erectile disfunction.
 

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there's no density along King Edward to support a rapid transit line. maybe a B-Line in the long run.
there isn't much density anywhere between burrard and ubc though so no matter which way it goes...

it would just be easier to run it along king ed since it has that huge boulevard down the middle of the road pretty much all the way to marine drive from arbutus

that way they could do it all above ground instead of tunnelling if they chose the other route - no?
 

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^^ That's an interesting idea, but I would think the route will be determined by where stations would work best presently and down the road - serving the community along the route, not just UBC. Broadway, then along 10th would be the logical choice, since there is more of a commercial/retail presence there. Using the central median on 25th would be easier to build, that's for certain. You'd have a problem though, once you hit Dunbar... You'd then have to take it back north to 16th, then west again. Skytrain through Dunbar :eek:hno:... It's not really a destination for anyone is it? Where 10th has more shops, restaurants, and is much closer to the beach.
 

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yeah i am thinking of saving money - it wouldn't have to be underground like the other way and its fairly compact that people could walk if forced

anything to get it up and going faster

either way i think going to UBC is a big waste of money, just end it at the arbutus corridor for future connection to the arbutus corridor being used for some kind of transit
 

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there isn't much density anywhere between burrard and ubc though so no matter which way it goes...

it would just be easier to run it along king ed since it has that huge boulevard down the middle of the road pretty much all the way to marine drive from arbutus

that way they could do it all above ground instead of tunnelling if they chose the other route - no?
I live in the area and there's zero density along King Edward. With Broadway and 10th Avenue, you'll get actual ridership from the stations along the route whereas nil along King Edward.....it's not feasible at all along King Edward.

I'd even prefer LRT along Broadway/10th than something along King Ed if it comes down to cost.
 
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