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Which Queen's Wharf Development Proposal do you prefer?

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^^ It will be foot traffic only - they aren't going to allow any kind of vehicular traffic to zoom through the loads of pedestrians in their busy core dining precinct, especially when that dining precinct is several storeys up with no street level access. It would be akin to allowing bikes or scooters to ride through the Treasury.

The bridge will also have stairs being the main access on the South Bank side (with a ramp provided for PWD access only), so hopefully that will help get across the idea that it's foot traffic only.
I guess what I am trying to say is, the bridge will essentially function as an entry/exit for the Queens Wharf casino when it should be for a wider public use. The bridge could have multiple entries and exits, not necessary just to the casino itself. It will be great to have it connected to Elizabeth Street, Stephens Lane or Miller Park. But what do I know.
 

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^^ The bridge will provide access to William Street, George Street and Stephen's Lane (via the Printery Courtyard) by way of public promenades and a series of escalators and lifts. The bridge doesn't join up to any gaming areas, but connects to a level of the resort designated as 24/7 public access and will be fully accessible to the public. For example, I will be able to leave work, walk up Mary Street, go up the George Street escalators to Level 4 of the resort, out and over the bridge to end up in South Bank. It's definitely not solely for the use of resort and its residents.
 

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^^ I still think it's a shortsighted for not allowing cyclists to use it. Well it's not only sweaty cyclists now, there will be people on escooters too.

How are they going to stop people that's not walking from using the bridge anyway? Are they going to post a security guard there 24/7 restricting access? If what you said is correct (again havent seen any plans), it looks like someone could just fold their escooter, use the lift etc.
 

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Always irritated me that the kurilpa has the spiral. but no shortcut stairs down, and dumps you half way "up" a side street if you need to walk back down to riverside, because again, no stairs. Its a lovely bridge, with lack of reasonable choices for fit, mobile people to get there en-route.

I can feel this new bridge coming with gated access which is "only approached the way we want, not the useful ways".

The Vicky bridge, if you want to cross the road, its a long walk back somewhere. Again, I can sense no retreat on this. We're not being encouraged to see people and vehicles mixing, even though its a trend worldwide to slow down, and live with the consequences instead of herding us into Ant queues.

Goodwill, there you are, made landfall: now walk 200m further to wind up where you didn't need to be, and comeback round the long way. If you dropped your phone, its 5min walk to pick it up. A staircase was there for the making...
 

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How are they going to stop people that's not walking from using the bridge anyway? Are they going to post a security guard there 24/7 restricting access? If what you said is correct (again havent seen any plans), it looks like someone could just fold their escooter, use the lift etc.
There will be security staff doing the rounds inside the resort who would be alerted to scooters being rode through the public areas. The scooter riders waiting for the lifts would probably give security a good opportunity to catch up with these people. They might even have a speaker system like the CBD's City Safe network.

In all likelihood, there will still probably be people who do it, just like there are still people who ride down the Queen Street Mall - people who don't know the rules or just don't care.
 

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The initial comment I was responding to specifically mentioned COVID causing issues with sales figures that were released prior to COVID. That's what I was responding to.


I openly acknowledge and believe that the initial figures are highly likely to be inflated, but I'm not going to accept that COVID had any influence whatsoever on these figures, considering they were released last year.


Now, unless you are trying to argue that COVID impacted the figures released last year, I assume you agree with me, no?
Haha no mate, I never mentioned COVID, so why would I try and argue that.

I spoke purely about the scarcity principle and its use as a sales techniques, the rest of that comment is all you.
 

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There will be security staff doing the rounds inside the resort who would be alerted to scooters being rode through the public areas. The scooter riders waiting for the lifts would probably give security a good opportunity to catch up with these people. They might even have a speaker system like the CBD's City Safe network.

In all likelihood, there will still probably be people who do it, just like there are still people who ride down the Queen Street Mall - people who don't know the rules or just don't care.
Can scooters use footpaths in Brisbane, why is this different to a footpath?
 

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Haha no mate, I never mentioned COVID, so why would I try and argue that.

I spoke purely about the scarcity principle and its use as a sales techniques, the rest of that comment is all you.
No you didn't, and I never said you did. asdfg did, which is the conversation you jumped into.
 

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Can scooters use footpaths in Brisbane, why is this different to a footpath?
They generally can just the same as bikes. However, like bikes, there are areas where they are banned - you can't ride either down the Queen Street Mall or through Reddacliff Place, nor on the downstream footpath of the Victoria Bridge (signs advise that cyclists must dismount and personal mobility devices are prohibited). I expect the Neville Bonner Bridge will be signed similarly.

That aside, the major physical difference between the Neville Bonner Bridge and others is that the bridge terminates in what is effectively a space akin to a shopping centre, and I have never seen a shopping centre that allows bikes, scooters, skateboards etc to be rode inside the property.
 

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That aside, the major physical difference between the Neville Bonner Bridge and others is that the bridge terminates in what is effectively a space akin to a shopping centre, and I have never seen a shopping centre that allows bikes, scooters, skateboards etc to be rode inside the property.
They don't even understand how to let us get close. Queen St Mall? the nearest parking for bikes is Redacliffe place, across the road. It would have cost them nothing in space to have some bike lock street furniture actually at the head of the mall. So for this bridge, I predict zero to none bikelock or standing places at the bridge terminus near the casino. The other side, more hope.

Now the citycycles are going dockless, even more reason to pretend cycles don't exist.
 

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^^ The bridge will provide access to William Street, George Street and Stephen's Lane (via the Printery Courtyard) by way of public promenades and a series of escalators and lifts. The bridge doesn't join up to any gaming areas, but connects to a level of the resort designated as 24/7 public access and will be fully accessible to the public. For example, I will be able to leave work, walk up Mary Street, go up the George Street escalators to Level 4 of the resort, out and over the bridge to end up in South Bank. It's definitely not solely for the use of resort and its residents.
I havent seen any updated plans on how the bridge will interact, i have concerns that the casino will attempt to funnel people through the retail area casino rather then providing a clear route for people to reach the street. Happy to be proven wrong, but I feel like they will attempt to capitalise on the value of the foot traffic by making people walk the long way past some of their retail, and potentially casino entrance. It may not push them through the casino actual, but i dont think its going to be the clear route we are hoping.
 

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It's little different to the previous renders, just a slightly different angle and daytime lighting rather than dusk. The only elements that looks materially different is the strip of retail shops to the left of the entrance, and even that is only a minor change.

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It's shit now. Nothing like a resort entrance. They lost all that when they stuffed up George Street and that veil of cascading water effect from the atrium (past William Street I think) with entry water feature pools.
Now it's replaced by steps for Christ sake. No look through view.

It's just f.......crap.
 
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