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anyways do you think striking will lead to better quality of life for everyone, not just the tails of the bell curve
 

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anyways do you think striking will lead to better quality of life for everyone, not just the tails of the bell curve
CFMMEU members holding traffic signs on $120k who want $150k are the most marginalised and disadvantaged people in this country and need more cash imo
 

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CFMMEU members holding traffic signs on $120k who want $150k are the most marginalised and disadvantaged people in this country and need more cash imo
You should put in for the job L2, some of those spotters holding traffic signs on union construction sites are paid better than some of their poor mates not in a union on short term labour hire flat rate contracts at $25 ish an hour. Most union agreements I have see are at hourly rates base rates for traffic management of $43.
 

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Some interesting graphs at this link http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7104-who-are-australias-union-members-you-might-be-surprised-201701101609

Union membership by industry


Australia’s 10 most and 10 least unionised occupation groups


Rather than mindlessly parroting right-wing talk-back radio talking points about how everyone in the CFMMEU is an overpaid/lower class/terrorst/immigrant- as seems to be about the limit of L2's infantile contribution - the reality is that union membership and worker's wages/conditions have been in decline in Australia for at least the lasat 40 years. Roughly 86% of all workers are NOT in their industry's union, compared to only a generation or two ago when 6o% of all workers were in their union. Strikes likewise have massively declined in frequency and length, to the point that there are virtiually none these days.

Before anyone jumps down my throat and says that's just a mindless pro-ALP take, actually this trend started in 1983 when the ALP under Bob Hawke began to implement neoliberalism in Australia, see this book for more info: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305891952_How_Labour_Made_Neoliberalism
 

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I'm a union lover at heart, especially for the SDA. They do such a great job in fighting against gay marriage, against extended trading hours and for lower flat rate wages for their members.

Just think that without the SDA, gays might have been able to marry in this country earlier than 2017, and supermarket workers might have been entitled to penalty rates instead of getting a flat rate that is 20 cents per hour above the minimum.

How terrible would those things be.

Good thing that the SDA are fighting the good fight at the moment in SA in relation to trading hours. Yes, sure, Boxing Day is a day when everybody wants to shop and shop staff are entitled to double time or better in most cases, but definitely let's fight against businesses trying to open and employ people on double pay that day because people might be hung over from drinking too much holy water at church the day before and not want to work :yes:

Great organisation, 10/10 :yes:
 

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I'm a union lover at heart, especially for the SDA. They do such a great job in fighting against gay marriage, against extended trading hours and for lower flat rate wages for their members.

Just think that without the SDA, gays might have been able to marry in this country earlier than 2017, and supermarket workers might have been entitled to penalty rates instead of getting a flat rate that is 20 cents per hour above the minimum.

How terrible would those things be.

Good thing that the SDA are fighting the good fight at the moment in SA in relation to trading hours. Yes, sure, Boxing Day is a day when everybody wants to shop and shop staff are entitled to double time or better in most cases, but definitely let's fight against businesses trying to open and employ people on double pay that day because people might be hung over from drinking too much holy water at church the day before and not want to work :yes:

Great organisation, 10/10 :yes:
Very selective cherry picking there L2 considering the blatant wage theft, exploitation by so many employers and the enrichment of corporate elites at the expense of many workers.
 

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Some interesting graphs at this link http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7104-who-are-australias-union-members-you-might-be-surprised-201701101609

Union membership by industry


Australia’s 10 most and 10 least unionised occupation groups


Rather than mindlessly parroting right-wing talk-back radio talking points about how everyone in the CFMMEU is an overpaid/lower class/terrorst/immigrant- as seems to be about the limit of L2's infantile contribution - the reality is that union membership and worker's wages/conditions have been in decline in Australia for at least the lasat 40 years. Roughly 86% of all workers are NOT in their industry's union, compared to only a generation or two ago when 6o% of all workers were in their union. Strikes likewise have massively declined in frequency and length, to the point that there are virtiually none these days.

Before anyone jumps down my throat and says that's just a mindless pro-ALP take, actually this trend started in 1983 when the ALP under Bob Hawke began to implement neoliberalism in Australia, see this book for more info: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305891952_How_Labour_Made_Neoliberalism
The irony is that those professions listed as having the least union membership are amongst the highest paid.
 

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Very selective cherry picking there L2 considering the blatant wage theft, exploitation by so many employees and the enrichment of corporate elites at the expense of many workers.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. There's both too much and too little unionisation in this country.

Why does the SDA even exist? They're not fighting for the people in Hungry Jacks who are being forced to do internships for $4/hr. Those poor people deserve someone to fight for them.

Instead, the SDA are taking their money and doing things like fighting against gay marriage, and opposing the opening of stores on Sundays and Public Holidays (you know, those days when retail staff actually make a respectable wage) like we're still in the 1950s :nuts:
 

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imo i dont want the french styled strikes on a monthly basis its just no productive. however the uniona should lift minimum wages and help the centrelink people not over the median earning people
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. There's both too much and too little unionisation in this country.

Why does the SDA even exist? They're not fighting for the people in Hungry Jacks who are being forced to do internships for $4/hr. Those poor people deserve someone to fight for them.

Instead, the SDA are taking their money and doing things like fighting against gay marriage, and opposing the opening of stores on Sundays and Public Holidays (you know, those days when retail staff actually make a respectable wage) like we're still in the 1950s :nuts:
uncle L2 very respectable post no doubt, this has to be said regardless of which side you are on
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. There's both too much and too little unionisation in this country.

Why does the SDA even exist? They're not fighting for the people in Hungry Jacks who are being forced to do internships for $4/hr. Those poor people deserve someone to fight for them.

Instead, the SDA are taking their money and doing things like fighting against gay marriage, and opposing the opening of stores on Sundays and Public Holidays (you know, those days when retail staff actually make a respectable wage) like we're still in the 1950s :nuts:
There's no doubt that the SDA is a bad union. But that doesn't mean that all unions are like the SDA. If you actually gave a crap about the workers being let down by conservative leaders of the SDA then you would actively and positively be promoting the main alternative union in that industry the RAFFWU (the Retail and Fast Food Workers Union). But you never mention them do you? It's all "wah look at this bad union. the unions are terrible! " Like any time you've feigned concern for other human beings, you're just a snake.

If you're critical of the SDA, then read up on the many campaigns being run by the RAFFWU to organise workers in the supermarkets, fast food industry, Kmart, Bunnings etc. at the link below:

https://www.raffwu.org.au/campaigns

If you're in an industry where the union isn't actively organising workers and fighting for better wages and conditions, then either change it from within or convince your fellow workers to leave it and build a better one. These are solvable problems.

The alternative to union membership and activism is the 'Uberization' of work across all industries: hyper-exploitation, working longer and longer hours for lower and lower wages, no more weekends (already seems like the 'new normal' thanks to the gig economy), no more sick pay, holiday leave, maternity leave etc. Eventually it wil be back to the working conditions known to the 19th century English working-class before unions came along. The conservatives in this thread will cry alarmism, but we see it already happening. What they do to workers in one part of the world, they'll eventually do to us, but only if we lie down and let them.
 

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The irony is that those professions listed as having the least union membership are amongst the highest paid.
I don't think it is ironic - just that the dynamic is more in favour of the employee
An IT worker generally has a skill that is in short supply and has a number of employers that they can move to if they want better working conditions.

A nurse or teacher generally have 1 large employer to work with so even if there is a skills shortage there is less option to move employer and more reason for joining a union
 

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Some points
- Union membership has decreased a lot in the past few decades. The past decade has also been one with the slowest wage rises (though profits are still growing)

- The 'best' unions (for their members anyway) are the monopoly makers at the AMA, Bar association and CPA/CA. Not only do they force everyone in that field to join, they also set how many people are allowed to be qualified in the field to make sure their members are able to get as much money as they want

- I don't think unions are any more corrupt than other organisations that gain a lot of power e.g. religion, political parties, banks, large corporations
 

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- The 'best' unions (for their members anyway) are the monopoly makers at the AMA, Bar association and CPA/CA. Not only do they force everyone in that field to join, they also set how many people are allowed to be qualified in the field to make sure their members are able to get as much money as they want
Wow, some of the highly paid professions enforce compulsory unionism and control how many can join. Sounds like a closed shop, or perhaps...SOCIALISM... MARXISM...COMMUNISM!!!!

Where is the conservative condemnation???
 

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Wow, some of the highly paid professions enforce compulsory unionism and control how many can join. Sounds like a closed shop, or perhaps...SOCIALISM... MARXISM...COMMUNISM!!!!

Where is the conservative condemnation???
Probably need some larger healthcare companies or publicly listed law firms before the union busting begins
 
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