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And what have we learnt from polls?

2016 and our own recent federal election would suggest otherwise.

Democrats such as Ilhan Omar and a swathe of others would agree that the current crop of Democratic candidates don't seem likely to beat Trump. It seems as if the Democratic party is making a lot of noise, but not a lot of progress. It's a shame really because more popular and rational candidates such as Yang and Tulsi aren't actually being embraced by the party or the mainstream media, probably because they don't fit their far left narratives
 

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What is this Far Left narrative people speak of? Is it now just a far Left thing to want stronger social safety nets, universal health care and more public investment in education? Most Democracies once believed in such policies. Why have people become obsessed with mythical Socialism when most of the World has been taken over by crony capitalism and corporate rent seekers. Oligarchs and wannabe dictators are running most of the show now.
 

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The democrats in the US are no more liberal now than they were 20, even 40 years ago. People say that the democrats have moved far to the left because they support gay rights, but that's no different from the civil rights movement of the 60's. People say the democrats have moved far to the left because they support universal health care, but that's no different from FDR enacting social security in the 30's and LBJ enacting all kinds of social welfare acts in the 60's. People say the democrats have moved far to the left because they're sympathetic to illegal immigrants, but that's no different than democrat support of the radical change in immigration laws in the 60's.

The only difference today is that the issues are different than they were 20, 40 and more years ago. The desire for change is about the same.

Illegal immigrants do not vote. You need to be a US citizen in order to do so.
I think most people accept gay rights so party politics often doesn't put you in a particular box. As for Universal Health Care it is easy to say those three words and feel it is a good thing. If you look into the detail of Democrat policy they want to end personal Health Insurance and make a Federal Universal scheme. The cost of that from every point of view would be incredible. This would cover everyone in the USA, including illegal immigrants. Imagine the rush to the US from almost anywhere...free everything and you don't even have to be a citizen. Democrats don't even want the upcoming Census to ask if your a citizen. Outrageous... In a fairytale there is no borders and no wars and plenty for everyone...when are these people going to wake up and see the world isn't like that. I know this means feelings will be hurt but then a billion dollar industry will flourish to console the poor distressed lefties...
 

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And what have we learnt from polls?

2016 and our own recent federal election would suggest otherwise.
In the US, the polls actually underestimated the democrats in last year's congressional elections.

Democrats such as Ilhan Omar and a swathe of others would agree that the current crop of Democratic candidates don't seem likely to beat Trump. It seems as if the Democratic party is making a lot of noise, but not a lot of progress. It's a shame really because more popular and rational candidates such as Yang and Tulsi aren't actually being embraced by the party or the mainstream media, probably because they don't fit their far left narratives
Omar isn't running for president.

It's actually funny you consider Yang to be a rational candidate, out of all the ones running he's got some of the wackiest ideas. Otherwise, there are plenty of mainstream candidates in the field. With 20 candidates currently running, there's bound to be.
 

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I think most people accept gay rights so party politics often doesn't put you in a particular box. As for Universal Health Care it is easy to say those three words and feel it is a good thing. If you look into the detail of Democrat policy they want to end personal Health Insurance and make a Federal Universal scheme. The cost of that from every point of view would be incredible. This would cover everyone in the USA, including illegal immigrants. Imagine the rush to the US from almost anywhere...free everything and you don't even have to be a citizen. Democrats don't even want the upcoming Census to ask if your a citizen. Outrageous... In a fairytale there is no borders and no wars and plenty for everyone...when are these people going to wake up and see the world isn't like that. I know this means feelings will be hurt but then a billion dollar industry will flourish to console the poor distressed lefties...
1. Not every democratic candidate wants a single-payer, universal health care system.
2. For those that do, it would make the US no different from Canada and several European nations. Is that terribly radical?
3. Immigrants, illegal and otherwise, get sick and have medical conditions. In many cases they already have private health insurance via their employers. In cases where they don't, they should have access to medical care just as much as everyone else from foreign tourists to US citizens should have access to medical care. If a tourist from China who didn't have their own health insurance got in a car wreck and needed an ambulance, would it be OK for taxpayers to pay for that? Yes. Likewise, if an illegal immigrant without health insurance gets in a car wreck and needs an ambulance, that too, is OK for taxpayers to foot their bill.
 

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I think most people accept gay rights so party politics often doesn't put you in a particular box. As for Universal Health Care it is easy to say those three words and feel it is a good thing. If you look into the detail of Democrat policy they want to end personal Health Insurance and make a Federal Universal scheme. The cost of that from every point of view would be incredible. This would cover everyone in the USA, including illegal immigrants. Imagine the rush to the US from almost anywhere...free everything and you don't even have to be a citizen. Democrats don't even want the upcoming Census to ask if your a citizen. Outrageous... In a fairytale there is no borders and no wars and plenty for everyone...when are these people going to wake up and see the world isn't like that. I know this means feelings will be hurt but then a billion dollar industry will flourish to console the poor distressed lefties...
What policies would you support from the Democrats redbaron_012?
 

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If a tourist from China who didn't have their own health insurance got in a car wreck and needed an ambulance, would it be OK for taxpayers to pay for that? Yes. Likewise, if an illegal immigrant without health insurance gets in a car wreck and needs an ambulance, that too, is OK for taxpayers to foot their bill.
No, the onus is on them to have travel insurance, just like when us Aussie's visit the US on a tourist VISA, we pay for travel insurance. God knows we need it when visiting the US with the insane cost of medical over there. Why should American's pay for my health? I wouldn't expect Aussies to pay for every tourist that gets hurt, has a heart attack or whatever, when they visit Australia.

Only exceptions? When an official reciprocal arrangement is in place but this can only happen if there is a public funded health system in place in both countries, and that is the nuance here. You are conflating the call for universal health care with visiting travel health insurance.

Illegal immigrants - you are ignoring the idea of vetting. In Australia, an illegal immigrant is someone who has entered illegally AND not known, or, someone who has entered Australia and overstayed their VISA. A refugee that has entered Australia by the back door and then detained for vetting and assessment is not classed as an "illegal immigrant". They are technically claiming asylum pending an outcome. They can't be classed as "illegal" because this contravenes the UN Ref regs 1951.

In terms of any "illegal immigrant" in Australia, they are not entitled to ANY government entitlement. Of course, if an illegal immigrant was discovered, emergency medical treatment would not be denied but they would also be then detained and processed. If they were from say a Western country, overstayed their VISA, they would foot the bill. If from say a 3rd world country, they'd probably be deported and never be able to enter and have an outstanding medical debt. Either way, the premise that the Australian tax payer pays their medical bill, strings unattached? Bollocks.
 

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The problem with all politics is getting a balance between equality, freedom and success from working hard. The far right wants to ignore the homeless, unemployed and impoverished while the far left wants to make the successful pay for everything. Never the twain shall meet...
 

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What is this Far Left narrative people speak of? Is it now just a far Left thing to want stronger social safety nets, universal health care and more public investment in education? Most Democracies once believed in such policies. Why have people become obsessed with mythical Socialism when most of the World has been taken over by crony capitalism and corporate rent seekers. Oligarchs and wannabe dictators are running most of the show now.
A good proportion of democrats such as AOC and Bernie Sanders, are literal socialists, the same system which has brought countless countries to the ground and killed millions of people ("Political Economist" is typing furiously hearing this)

The republicans have never equivalently ventured far right into the realm of fascism, (despite what antifa whines on about). The party has always stuck to its core values of social and economic liberty, border protection, security and minimal foreign and government intervention.
 

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In the US, the polls actually underestimated the democrats in last year's congressional elections.


Omar isn't running for president.

It's actually funny you consider Yang to be a rational candidate, out of all the ones running he's got some of the wackiest ideas. Otherwise, there are plenty of mainstream candidates in the field. With 20 candidates currently running, there's bound to be.
And who would those rational democrats be then? Bernie Sanders? :lol:
 

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The republicans have never equivalently ventured far right into the realm of fascism, (despite what antifa whines on about). The party has always stuck to its core values of social and economic liberty, border protection, security and minimal foreign and government intervention.
You had me at 'minimal foreign intervention'
 
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