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Given the success of the recent adoption of variable tolls on Australia's Sydney Harbour Bridge and the approval of the central to Wanchai bypass what is stopping HK Gov adopting variable Tolls for the tunnels it owns that have congestion?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/new...l/bridge-motorists-change-habits/1450757.aspx

Obviously it would be unpopular but Governments can't always just have populist policies.

I suspect there will be replies that the Gov should buy all 3 cross harbour tunnels and let the taxpayer subsidise lower cost for all. But that is not really going to reduce traffic entering congestion zones. A simple tunnel price hike for a few hours a day with perhaps a reduced fare for quite periods may help cut congestion.
 

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The key bottleneck on the Cross-Harbour is during the rush hours. Perhaps that toll can rise significantly during those periods and force everyone to shift to the other tunnels. From the New Territories, with the new tunnel connecting Shatin and Kwai Chung, it'll be an easy switch to the Western crossing.
 

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It's just political, not technical.

The government has spent so much money in the past two decades for technical engineering reports to conclude the same solution: similar toll rate, WCB and ERP.

WCB is yet to begin construction after delayed for 10 years, and hoping to be operational by 2016; and then ideally followed by implementation of ERP after 30 years of the first study.

Similar toll rate doesn't necessary mean the more expensive tunnels have to lower the toll to meet the cheapest one; but the cheapest one can raise the toll to meet the more expensive two. Toll adjustment is technically far easier, but is least public favorable and good luck to get through the LegCo for approving toll hike.
 

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even most taxi drivers think the CHT is too cheap, if the government hasn't got the backbone to add $15 dollars to a toll for 5 hours a day then....

road side pollution is significantly up why...
 

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Toll adjustment is technically far easier, but is least public favorable and good luck to get through the LegCo for approving toll hike.
Exactly...

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even most taxi drivers think the CHT is too cheap, if the government hasn't got the backbone to add $15 dollars to a toll for 5 hours a day then....

road side pollution is significantly up why...
They think it's cheap because they couldn't squeeze more money from passengers. They'd probably be glad if tolls rise to $40.
 

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Creating environmental or congestion taxes has never had a better background to work with.

A sun you can't see for 6 months a year and choking roadside pollution that is considerably worse than 6 years ago. But still the TD seems not to have an environmental mandate to make HK a nicer (not efficient) place to live.

I would suggest a simple through Kowloon levy, so if someone uses Lion Rock and CHT to get from NT to HK they pay more. Simple technology. This would force drivers from NT to switch to other tunnels or catch a bus.
 

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Creating environmental or congestion taxes has never had a better background to work with.

A sun you can't see for 6 months a year and choking roadside pollution that is considerably worse than 6 years ago. But still the TD seems not to have an environmental mandate to make HK a nicer (not efficient) place to live.

I would suggest a simple through Kowloon levy, so if someone uses Lion Rock and CHT to get from NT to HK they pay more. Simple technology. This would force drivers from NT to switch to other tunnels or catch a bus.
You missed the Transport and Housing Bureau, the Environment Bureau, the Development Bureau, the Environmental Protection Department, the Highway Department and the Legislative Council etc etc on the blaming list.
 

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Surely only study by the TD and a few words from 'our Henry' and it could happen in weeks. A cynic would suggest policy of minimising road based pollution does not assist in HKSZ integration as HK needs to be more like SZ to allow seemless integration.

Why aren't congestion management issues being discussed by Government? They only seem to like talking about new projects not managing the ones they have.
 

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Govt proposes free-flow tolling system for all its tunnel by 2023
The Standard Excerpt
Mar 18, 2021

The government is introducing a free-flow tolling system, bringing convenience to motorists by enabling their payment of tolls remotely with toll tags and facilitating a smoother traffic flow, thereby improving the traffic in the vicinity of tunnels.

The relevant bill, which seeks to provide legal backing for the implementation of a free-flow tolling system at government tolled tunnels and the Tsing Sha Control Area, will be gazetted on Friday and introduced into the Legislative Council for the first reading and second reading on March 24.

A spokesman for the Transport and Housing Bureau said implementing the system is a major Smart Mobility initiative.

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Time is of the essence in tunnel-toll proposal
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Sep 23, 2021

Time-varying tunnel tolls - higher at peak hours and lower during off-peak - should be introduced to reduce congestion, DAB lawmaker Ben Chan Han-pan says.

Chan suggested that system should be introduced when the franchise at Western Harbour Crossing ends in 2023 and Tai Lam Tunnel expires in 2025.

By charging more during peak hours and less when the traffic is not so congested for the three harbor tunnels - Cross Harbour Tunnel, Eastern Harbour Crossing and Western Harbour Crossing - can encourage the public to avoid using them during rush hours, he said.

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