Bollocks!
VIVA Stage 2 meets opposition
With VIVA beginning the process to implement it's Bus only lanes along Yonge st north of steeles, businesess have begun to raise a stink about the 'damage' that these lanes will cause to the community and to their business. Much like the opposition to the St Clair ROW a petetion has begun to fight the bus only lanes. I can't find the article but it was in a recent Vaughan Citizen newspaper.
I figured it would only be a matter of time until self centered interests began to sabatoge this system
I figured it would only be a matter of time until self centered interests began to sabatoge this system
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good ol' NIMBYism at work again
THey will face major opposition up there with this project. It's too soon for that city. Mississauga would embrace something like this.
you're giving mississauga too much credit, phunky. some people would, most wouldn't. but if hazel leads, many will follow (maybe).
No way. We are much more transit friendly than York region is. At least the southern half of Mississauga is. I can see the northern half having issues though, as that's where all the rich surburbans live in their huge houses with their 2-3 door garages.you're giving mississauga too much credit, phunky. some people would, most wouldn't. but if hazel leads, many will follow (maybe).
I don't think the homes are huge up here. Most are only two door garages. The lots are pretty small actually. But I agree northern Mississauga isn't as transit-oriented as the southern part. Of course, we lack the Lakeshore Line.
If the issue is about running an LRT/streetcar line down Hurontario I think the opposite is true. All of the rich suburbanites live on the stretch south of the QEW. I don't think the businesses along the stretch north of the QEW would object along the lines of the ones on St. Clair West as most of them already have their own parking lots. For the businesses north of Matheson, I would think that they would actually want to have the line go through unimpeded to get their employees into work. We just have to wait for the Hurontario interchanges at the QEW and 401 to get rebuilt to accommodate the line.No way. We are much more transit friendly than York region is. At least the southern half of Mississauga is. I can see the northern half having issues though, as that's where all the rich surburbans live in their huge houses with their 2-3 door garages.
Generally, the richer parts of town are situated in proximity to the Credit River. The stretch of Mississauga Rd. from Port Credit to just shy of Streetsville is where you'll find many mansions of various sizes. Most homes in the Credit Mills neighbourhood between Erin Mills and Streetsville have 3-car garages.
Take a look at a Mississauga Transit map there's a huge gap in service along the southern stretch of Mississauga Rd. and through Lorne Park there's only 1 route. I think this is a good indication of where the rich live. Service is inversely proportional to the neighbourhood's income.
I'm basing it on my experience that people with money in Mississauga use transit more than the same type of people in York.If the issue is about running an LRT/streetcar line down Hurontario I think the opposite is true. All of the rich suburbanites live on the stretch south of the QEW. I don't think the businesses along the stretch north of the QEW would object along the lines of the ones on St. Clair West as most of them already have their own parking lots. For the businesses north of Matheson, I would think that they would actually want to have the line go through unimpeded to get their employees into work. We just have to wait for the Hurontario interchanges at the QEW and 401 to get rebuilt to accommodate the line.
Generally, the richer parts of town are situated in proximity to the Credit River. The stretch of Mississauga Rd. from Port Credit to just shy of Streetsville is where you'll find many mansions of various sizes. Most homes in the Credit Mills neighbourhood between Erin Mills and Streetsville have 3-car garages.
Take a look at a Mississauga Transit map there's a huge gap in service along the southern stretch of Mississauga Rd. and through Lorne Park there's only 1 route. I think this is a good indication of where the rich live. Service is inversely proportional to the neighbourhood's income.
Uh, pretty much all of the houses south of the QEW that face onto Hurontario are offices now. They even put up a new private surgery clinic, and pretty much every "house" is now some sort of doctor (especially dentists and orthodontists), sports rehabilitation clinic, or naturalpathic joint.If the issue is about running an LRT/streetcar line down Hurontario I think the opposite is true. All of the rich suburbanites live on the stretch south of the QEW.
I've never found the parts north of Burnhamthorpe to be are all that great personally. They have big houses, but they generally lack the same folliage/size/views that the southern parts do. The richest of the rich in Mississauga though live in Lorne Park Estates, but it remains one of the better kept secrets of 'sauga since the northerners never get down to the real south.Generally, the richer parts of town are situated in proximity to the Credit River. The stretch of Mississauga Rd. from Port Credit to just shy of Streetsville is where you'll find many mansions of various sizes. Most homes in the Credit Mills neighbourhood between Erin Mills and Streetsville have 3-car garages.
While I admit that service in Lorne Park is weak (I live in that big gap), the question I've always thought of though is where would you put another line?Take a look at a Mississauga Transit map there's a huge gap in service along the southern stretch of Mississauga Rd. and through Lorne Park there's only 1 route. I think this is a good indication of where the rich live. Service is inversely proportional to the neighbourhood's income.
The road geography in the area limits the number of possible routes since there are only two major N/S roads actually run from South Service to Lakeshore since the QEW prevents roads from running more to the north, and when the railway came into town, it killed off all the streets that extended south of them, except for Lorne Park and Clarkson Roads. The only other major E/S road in the area is South Service, and even then, it intrudes in on the current passenger base of the 8 and would likely still run from Clarkson to
Port GOs, which again would repeat the current service the 8 already provides. The fact there are so many hills, creeks, small ravines and parks resulted in most of the strees in the area being short and cul-de-sac-ish. Better service on the 8 would be a big help. There is big demand for better service on the route, and doing so would attract a much better rider base. The current service sucks and it's the clear reason why no one takes the bus in Lorne Park. Can you blame them though?
^^Businesses protest planned Yonge bus lane
By: David Fleischer, Staff Writer
Ambitious plans for expanding rapid transit in York Region are moving forward, but some business owners are worried about the effect construction of bus-only lanes will have.
Construction is slated to begin next year on median lanes for Viva buses along the length of Yonge Street.
That also means changes for cars and pedestrians as the road is widened and left turns are eliminated by barriers.
"The dedicated lanes are going to change the way people access businesses and residences on either side of Yonge," Viva spokesperson Vijay Chauhan said.
Public consultation has been ongoing for a couple of years and postcards about meetings were sent to everyone on Yonge Street and within three blocks on either side, he said.
Cosmo D'Aguanno works at the Midway Diner, a landmark on Yonge north of Steeles Avenue for more than 30 years. Lack of information has been a big problem, he said.
It was only when he received notice of a public meeting last month at Thornhill's Heintzman House that he fully grasped the plans.
Because letters of notification went to owners, not tenants, the news is a surprise to many, he said.
"Everybody is under the assumption it's a done deal, but we have our own ideas," he said.
The letters were merely one component in a wide effort to notify residents and stakeholders of the plans, York Region Rapid Transit vice-president Mary-Frances Turner said.
"We've been very earnest in our efforts to have a thorough outreach program," she said.
In addition to the letters, there have been public meetings and advertisements over the past three years, she said.
While Ms Turner understands the concerns that have been raised, when the project is complete, turns will be safer and, in the big picture, Yonge will be a more efficient street to drive on, she said.
Mr. D'Aguanno said he supports Viva and more growth in the area, but still worried about the effects of prolonged construction in front of the restaurant and the restricted access after.
He has been canvassing Yonge and, in less than two weeks, has compiled a petition with more than 500 signatures.
The concerns echo those voiced during the creation of the Spadina LRT and St. Clair right of way in Toronto. In the latter instance, businesses on St. Clair Avenue took the city to court.
They argued the project would reduce sidewalk and road capacity, restrict accessibility with the elimination of left turns and complicate deliveries for businesses.
After a heated five-year battle, the group lost and streetcars began running in the dedicated centre lanes earlier this year.
As of right now, Viva has money to proceed with construction on Yonge from Steeles to Hwy. 7. Design work will proceed further north on Yonge and east on Hwy. 7, where crucial environmental assessments are already completed.
Construction is set to begin in 2008, but a detailed timetable is still being worked out.
Vaughan Councillor Alan Shefman, whose ward borders the west side of Yonge, said the only concerns he has heard so far come from residents of a townhouse development who will no longer be able to make left turns once the bus lane is operating.
"I'm sympathetic, but it's not a huge issue," he said. "There are trade-offs."
In addition to providing real rapid transit, the bus lane will coincide with plans to revitalize Thornhill's historic core.
In the end, Mr. D'Aguanno and the people he has talked to are not as concerned about the plans themselves as they are about the impact on businesses and the neighbourhood.
"They're all good ideas," Mr. D'Aguanno said, "but they have to benefit the community."
A group of stakeholders has plans to meet with Markham officials in early May.
Hey, we still have decent service here in the north endNo way. We are much more transit friendly than York region is. At least the southern half of Mississauga is. I can see the northern half having issues though, as that's where all the rich surburbans live in their huge houses with their 2-3 door garages.
I would go as far as saying its better than YRT. I have never waited as long for MT as I have had to for YRT.
VIVA's website has been updated.
If you visit the public consultation area, they have a lot of sketches up for the bus shelters and street enhancements on Yonge.
Platforms will be about 55 metres. (That's longer than Vancouver's RAV line, right? lol)
If you visit the public consultation area, they have a lot of sketches up for the bus shelters and street enhancements on Yonge.
Platforms will be about 55 metres. (That's longer than Vancouver's RAV line, right? lol)
A 55m platform? Aren't their buses not even half that length? Do they need more than 2 bus spaces for a stop?
Phase 3 is going to have LRT vehicles using the same platforms when they take over the RTV's.A 55m platform? Aren't their buses not even half that length? Do they need more than 2 bus spaces for a stop?
If they ever reach phase 3. Anyway I just thought it was interesting because there were some comments about how much York Region residents were in support of the VIVA plan vs. St. Clair and the opposition it faced. Now it seems the 2 plans have a lot more in common.Phase 3 is going to have LRT vehicles using the same platforms when they take over the RTV's.
Step 1. Protest Viva BRT, increasing congestion and gridlock, and decreasing property values
Step 2: ???
Step 3. PROFIT!!!
With that out of the way, I am highly skeptical of LRTs (not BRTs) running through the middle of the road, even with their own lanes. Most videos of LRTs on YouTube show them moving at tortoise speeds through these scenarios. I think they should continue to invest in BRT by adding new routes and larger double articulated buses rather than converting the whole thing to rail.
Step 2: ???
Step 3. PROFIT!!!
With that out of the way, I am highly skeptical of LRTs (not BRTs) running through the middle of the road, even with their own lanes. Most videos of LRTs on YouTube show them moving at tortoise speeds through these scenarios. I think they should continue to invest in BRT by adding new routes and larger double articulated buses rather than converting the whole thing to rail.
You can't compare Mississauga with the stub period of Yonge in question. Mississauga would embrace it, because most of Hurontario businesses wouldn't be affected as Yonge, where most don't have their own parking independant of the street.
I doubt there wouldn't be too much stink over busonly lanes (making them strictly dedicated) on hwy 7 either (same as Hurontario) as the strip malls have their own parking lots. Only drivers would complain.
I doubt there wouldn't be too much stink over busonly lanes (making them strictly dedicated) on hwy 7 either (same as Hurontario) as the strip malls have their own parking lots. Only drivers would complain.
Ooh, also having it so I could log on to the Viva/YRT website and see when the next buses are coming would also totally kick. So that way I won't get to my Viva stop, just miss the bus, and have to wait 15+ minutes for the next one. Even better, make it a Firefox extension
Southern Mississauga has just as much of that IF NOT more.No way. We are much more transit friendly than York region is. At least the southern half of Mississauga is. I can see the northern half having issues though, as that's where all the rich surburbans live in their huge houses with their 2-3 door garages.
Depends also on where you draw the boundaries.
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