No nie? A tez SzwedzioralB said:
"Rzeczpospolita" mi sie jakos z Alejami Jerozolimskimi na wysokosci placu Starynkiewicza kojarzy.
[Warszawa] Prosta Office Center - Ghelamco
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"Rzeczpospolita" mi sie jakos z Alejami Jerozolimskimi na wysokosci placu Starynkiewicza kojarzy.
Na tych zdjeciach widac zawieszony od Wroniej render nie prezentowany wczesniej na Forum, a przedstawiajacy POC widziany od strony Panskiej. Do wysokosci sasiedniej kamienicy bedzie tam sporo kamienia, a wyzsze kondygnacje beda wycofane, co IMHO czyni ten budynek sensowniejszym.rcube said:![]()
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Podczas poprzedniej wizyty w biurze NAM widzielismy z Cudakiem i SoboleuSem tylko zalaczony do wniosku plan.martin said:
Cien rzucany przez POC mozna zobaczyc na Planach na Przyszlosc, na wizualizacji projektu planu miejscowego dla okolic Twardej
Dear Potie,
thanks for sharing your info about Ghelamco's projects with us, but I see that some stuff needs to be explained:
1. A project discussed in this thread is called Prosta Office Centre (a word "Prosta" comes from a name of a street, and means "straight") which was (and probably is) planned to comprise three phases of about 20k sq m each and look like this:
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POC was designed by Montois Partners Architects cooperating with Belgian architect of Polish origin Ludwik Konior, who continued the work in his own firm. The building on the left (phase 1 of POC, or just POC) has already been built. The remaining phases are to occupy quite small plot between phase 1 and big roundabout on a crossing of Prosta Street and Towarowa ("Merchandise") Street
2. "Prosta Tower" which you show can be seen on the right side of the above rendering and was/is (?) planned as phase 2 or 3 of POC, being 20-story office tower. The tower's rendering can be found on Konior and Partners web-page:
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with a misleading name "Prosta Towara", coming not from "Prosta Tower", but wrongly spelled "Prosta Towarowa" (which are the names of the streets). There is Prosta Tower project, but it refers to completely different, although nearby, residential tower developed by Marvipol and designed by Polish firm APAKA. We don't know how this Ghelamco tower will be called (whether it's gonna be POC or something else), but for sure it won't be Prosta Tower. As for its height, we know that a few months ago Ghelamco applied to Warsaw authorities for a permit for 94 meters high building, which could be that tower by Konior or something new and a bit taller (and hopefully with better design!) since Konior's 20-story building rather wouldn't reach 94 m. Of course they could have changed their plans in the meantime and decided to build much higher building, but on the plot there is surely no room for "many" high towers mentioned by you.
3. Ghelamco has recently acquired a new plot for high-rise developments in a vicinity of POC, at Towarowa Street, with old printing-house to be demolished, and we know that they plan to build two 35-story office towers and two residential towers of 31 and 20 stories (plus a few low-rises) and that the complex is to be designed by Jaspers-Eyers and Partners. You can see locations of those projects on a plan (by SoboleuS):
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where "7" is POC tower (your "Prosta Tower"), "15" - four new towers of Ghelamco (an exact name of this project hasn't been announced yet) and "6" - real Prosta Tower by Marvipol and APAKA. Probably you mean that project number 15, at the printing-house plot. We could figure it out if your info was more detailed or if you posted scanned rendering. If you meant the next phase of POC - we would be very happy if it really was planned to be higher and/or designed by someone more creative than Ludwik Konior.
thanks for sharing your info about Ghelamco's projects with us, but I see that some stuff needs to be explained:
1. A project discussed in this thread is called Prosta Office Centre (a word "Prosta" comes from a name of a street, and means "straight") which was (and probably is) planned to comprise three phases of about 20k sq m each and look like this:
POC was designed by Montois Partners Architects cooperating with Belgian architect of Polish origin Ludwik Konior, who continued the work in his own firm. The building on the left (phase 1 of POC, or just POC) has already been built. The remaining phases are to occupy quite small plot between phase 1 and big roundabout on a crossing of Prosta Street and Towarowa ("Merchandise") Street
2. "Prosta Tower" which you show can be seen on the right side of the above rendering and was/is (?) planned as phase 2 or 3 of POC, being 20-story office tower. The tower's rendering can be found on Konior and Partners web-page:
with a misleading name "Prosta Towara", coming not from "Prosta Tower", but wrongly spelled "Prosta Towarowa" (which are the names of the streets). There is Prosta Tower project, but it refers to completely different, although nearby, residential tower developed by Marvipol and designed by Polish firm APAKA. We don't know how this Ghelamco tower will be called (whether it's gonna be POC or something else), but for sure it won't be Prosta Tower. As for its height, we know that a few months ago Ghelamco applied to Warsaw authorities for a permit for 94 meters high building, which could be that tower by Konior or something new and a bit taller (and hopefully with better design!) since Konior's 20-story building rather wouldn't reach 94 m. Of course they could have changed their plans in the meantime and decided to build much higher building, but on the plot there is surely no room for "many" high towers mentioned by you.
3. Ghelamco has recently acquired a new plot for high-rise developments in a vicinity of POC, at Towarowa Street, with old printing-house to be demolished, and we know that they plan to build two 35-story office towers and two residential towers of 31 and 20 stories (plus a few low-rises) and that the complex is to be designed by Jaspers-Eyers and Partners. You can see locations of those projects on a plan (by SoboleuS):
where "7" is POC tower (your "Prosta Tower"), "15" - four new towers of Ghelamco (an exact name of this project hasn't been announced yet) and "6" - real Prosta Tower by Marvipol and APAKA. Probably you mean that project number 15, at the printing-house plot. We could figure it out if your info was more detailed or if you posted scanned rendering. If you meant the next phase of POC - we would be very happy if it really was planned to be higher and/or designed by someone more creative than Ludwik Konior.
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Widmo na miejscu jednego z budynkow planowanych przez Torca:
Jak widac na poludnie od wiezy Ghelamco, przy Towarowej wyrosnac moze nastepny wysokosciowiec, a za nim, przy Srebrnej jeszcze jeden. Zadecyduja nowi wlodarze miasta przez WZiZT i odpowiednie plany miejscowe. Maja szanse zezwolic na powstanie imponujacego, pierzejowo-wiezowego fragmentu miasta. Niech no tylko ja zmarnuja...
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To niestety nie jest projekt planu miejscowego (ten, czyli stosowny fragment projektu planu dla okolic ulicy Twardej, w ostatnio prezentowanej wersji nie przewidywal zadnych wiez), tylko swietna inwestorska propozycja ktora probuja przewalczyc juz od paru lat. Wieza POC to obszar sasiedniego przygotowywanego planu miejscowego - dla ulicy Prostej. Tez do rozsadnej zmiany, lub zignorowania przy wydawaniu WZiZT, jezeli chcemy ja zobaczyc w powyzszej postaci.
Moze moglbys cale nowe POC i budynki z planu Torca (z wieza przy Srebrnej wlacznie) zobrazowac na swojej super stronce. Moze planom tym pomoze uwidocznienie ich wielkomiejskiego i dopasowanego do lokalizacji charakteru. Urzednik tez czlowiek - jak oczy zobacza, to i sercu zal sie zrobi
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Hi Potie!
Is this what you wanted to show us?
And one question about the latter rendering where two of those three towers look like just one POC/Prosta Tower seen from different directions. Alternatively they could be two twin towers planned for nearby plots. Do you know which is true?Jeśli chodzi o Prostą - lepsza wersja pierwszego renderu (z postulowanym logo):
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Oraz kolejny, na którym wierzchołek wieży jest trochę inny, do tego pokazujący też zabudowę drugiej strony Towarowej - to z tyłu to zapewne 100 metrowa mieszkaniówka wspominana przez Darecky'ego, ale czym jest ten bliźniak wieży przy Prostej :?
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And is the third tower the residential one planned for the Church Plot mentioned by you?
As for:
I agree that POC/Prosta Tower shown by Jaspers&Eyers looks great in its environment and as an inhabitant of Wola district I'm happy that this part of Warsaw is going to change that much in so good direction thank to Belgian developer and architects.Potie said:
Those white details make some of us a bit anxious partly because common aversion to white pannels that cover much of the Turkish designed Millenium Plaza tower, which looks best in full sunshine, when the weather is kind of Mediterranean, but usually is perceived as depressing and cheap. As I imagine there is no such risk in the case of POC/Prosta Tower with its cool form and proportions of materials used for the facade. The facade's design makes the tower look slender and more characteristic. Maybe, since it's just a study, those detailes are not going to be purely white but in a colour of some stone or metallic. Nevertheless I like it a lot.
I think we owe you big beer. Come and visit Warsaw and you're not going to complain about lack of it
Thanks a lot for your info.
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Thanks Potie!
You've answered my question. I just wasn't sure whether the rendering with three towers shows real three towers to be built or is an artistic vision of Prosta Tower seen from two directions and the residential tower.
Those two that high towers on the "church plot" are real novelty for us, since Ghelamco so far applied for a permit for residentials that were to be only 100m and 57m high.
It also seemed a bit strange, that two of those three planned towers are twins, but the new Brussels project shows that it's not unusual for Jaspers&Eyers
You've answered my question. I just wasn't sure whether the rendering with three towers shows real three towers to be built or is an artistic vision of Prosta Tower seen from two directions and the residential tower.
Those two that high towers on the "church plot" are real novelty for us, since Ghelamco so far applied for a permit for residentials that were to be only 100m and 57m high.
It also seemed a bit strange, that two of those three planned towers are twins, but the new Brussels project shows that it's not unusual for Jaspers&Eyers
They are great! I'd love them to be built in Warsaw downtown
What do you think of the new proposed twin towers for Brussels?
Tos mnie wygrzebal... Jak truchlo z kurhanku...
Dla porzadku:
- Europrojekt Prosta mial stanac nie przy samym rondzie, a na wschod od Wroniej, tam gdzie Ghelamco wybudowalo pierwszy etap POC
- wyglada na to, ze ten pierwszy etap bedzie i ostatnim, bowiem nie zdecydowano sie na dobudowanie kolejnych koszmarkow Sz. P. arch. Koniora, na obrazku po prawej (widac tego 90-metrowca),
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tylko zastapiono ten projekt innym, znacznie okazalszym Spinakerem Jaspersa i Eyersa:
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Wprawdzie dopiero odgrazali sie, ze zaczna wznosic Spinnaker Tower po Sienna Towers, ale obecne posuniecie to ewidentne przygotowania do przyszlej budowy. A teraz spekulacja i pytanie do fachowcow o zasadnosc w jednym: maja trzy dzialki polozone blisko siebie na ktorych chca budowac wiezowce; czy nie byloby dla nich taniej skorzystac z tego, ze maja na miejscu odpowiedni sprzet i ludzi i wybudowac podziemne czesci tych obiektow jedna po drugiej, potem je zabezpieczyc i czekac ze wznoszeniem na nich wiez przez lata potrzebne na komercjalizacje tych wybudowanych wczesniej?
I jak dla mnie, to nalezy sie tej wiezy odrebny nowy watek, bez wyciagania staroci sprzed lat.
powierzchnia: 50 tys m2
wysokosc: wydaje sie, ze ok. 150m
Klaniam z oddali.
Dla porzadku:
- Europrojekt Prosta mial stanac nie przy samym rondzie, a na wschod od Wroniej, tam gdzie Ghelamco wybudowalo pierwszy etap POC
- wyglada na to, ze ten pierwszy etap bedzie i ostatnim, bowiem nie zdecydowano sie na dobudowanie kolejnych koszmarkow Sz. P. arch. Koniora, na obrazku po prawej (widac tego 90-metrowca),
tylko zastapiono ten projekt innym, znacznie okazalszym Spinakerem Jaspersa i Eyersa:
Wprawdzie dopiero odgrazali sie, ze zaczna wznosic Spinnaker Tower po Sienna Towers, ale obecne posuniecie to ewidentne przygotowania do przyszlej budowy. A teraz spekulacja i pytanie do fachowcow o zasadnosc w jednym: maja trzy dzialki polozone blisko siebie na ktorych chca budowac wiezowce; czy nie byloby dla nich taniej skorzystac z tego, ze maja na miejscu odpowiedni sprzet i ludzi i wybudowac podziemne czesci tych obiektow jedna po drugiej, potem je zabezpieczyc i czekac ze wznoszeniem na nich wiez przez lata potrzebne na komercjalizacje tych wybudowanych wczesniej?
I jak dla mnie, to nalezy sie tej wiezy odrebny nowy watek, bez wyciagania staroci sprzed lat.
powierzchnia: 50 tys m2
wysokosc: wydaje sie, ze ok. 150m
Klaniam z oddali.
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