[Warszawa] Prosta Office Center - Ghelamco

What is everyone thinking about the design of the new tower(s)?

Some users are for it, some against it and some are not decided. We are waiting for better renders to say something more.

we are trying to figure out if the elevation on the tower will be the same that on the existing smaller building
some journalist wrote in newspaper that the tower is similar to the millenium plaza building what wouldn't be a good news
and the render is to small to see
in my opinion it looks good although it would look better without this white details
if it is really white

Shape of the building is very nice (although it could have been little bit higher), there's only a question of the materials/colors used for the facade. If it will be white, it will be tragedy, we're also wondering if it will be exactly the same as on built already small POC building on neighboring plot, if it will be so, it won't be tragedy but still far below acceptable limit for new Warsaw developments. Such building would look very "cheap" comparing to any other of newer Warsaw scrapers, not very good for Ghelamco prestige...

And about near WZG plot - project looks nice (although we have only one, not very good quality rendering from newspaper), nicer than POC, the only thing I have against is that one of those tall buildings could be higher, it would look better than now. But I suppose it is this way because of given height limit, so architects couldn't do much, am I right?

kafarek said:

markus1234 nie kompromituj siebie
Paryż to inne miasto ,zupełnie inne miasto

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tu nie ma mowy o żadnej kompromitacji

Warszawa to nie Paryż, ale zasady urbanistyki są jedne, i na pewno lepiej jest starać się je przestrzegać (wzorujac sie na dobrych przykładach, jak np. Paryzu), niż budować gdzie popadnie (jak np w Szanghaju)

What is there wrong whit that white? I find it beautiful the white details.
What do you mean whit "similar to the millenium plaza building?

In my opinion the tower is has got a lucky design, better than the design of Konior!

Post Scriptum: The rendering now at the moment circulating on the forum is not an official rendering of the architectural practice who will design the new tower(s)! Where does it come from?

We simply have a bad experience with other blue and white tower in Warsaw called Millenium Plaza, or as it's most commonly refered to - Toy Toy.

What is there wrong whit that tower? Oke, not the best design but...

Potie said:

What is there wrong whit that tower? Oke, not the best design but...

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It's an abomination in a horrible location with a Toy Toy association.
This photo flatters it a fair bit.

Potie said:

What is there wrong whit that white? I find it beautiful the white details.
What do you mean whit "similar to the millenium plaza building?

In my opinion the tower is has got a lucky design, better than the design of Konior!

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Most of us here on this forum think that it's absolutely impossible to have worse design than the one of Konior, so that wasn't very good comparison

White is good just in one place. It's bathroom. Or hospital interiors.

Potie said:

What is there wrong whit that tower? Oke, not the best design but...

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Maybe the fact that it looks like big shower cabin? And those white alu panels look exactly like cheap bathroom tiles. It's most ugly building in whole town (well, novotel is not much better, from more or less same reasons).

I too think that the 'white details' are good. Without them the tower would look too simple and too plain.

Potie said:

Within 13 days I can show you the link, believe me, you will be very surprised. They are planning great projects at the site of WZ Graf and Church Plot.
You have only to wait until the 13th of March!

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Hi Potie!
Is this what you wanted to show us?

obserwator said:

Jeśli chodzi o Prostą - lepsza wersja pierwszego renderu (z postulowanym logo):

Oraz kolejny, na którym wierzchołek wieży jest trochę inny, do tego pokazujący też zabudowę drugiej strony Towarowej - to z tyłu to zapewne 100 metrowa mieszkaniówka wspominana przez Darecky'ego, ale czym jest ten bliźniak wieży przy Prostej :?

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And one question about the latter rendering where two of those three towers look like just one POC/Prosta Tower seen from different directions. Alternatively they could be two twin towers planned for nearby plots. Do you know which is true?
And is the third tower the residential one planned for the Church Plot mentioned by you?
As for:

Potie said:

What is there wrong whit that white? I find it beautiful the white details.
What do you mean whit "similar to the millenium plaza building?

In my opinion the tower is has got a lucky design, better than the design of Konior!

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I agree that POC/Prosta Tower shown by Jaspers&Eyers looks great in its environment and as an inhabitant of Wola district I'm happy that this part of Warsaw is going to change that much in so good direction thank to Belgian developer and architects.
Those white details make some of us a bit anxious partly because common aversion to white pannels that cover much of the Turkish designed Millenium Plaza tower, which looks best in full sunshine, when the weather is kind of Mediterranean, but usually is perceived as depressing and cheap. As I imagine there is no such risk in the case of POC/Prosta Tower with its cool form and proportions of materials used for the facade. The facade's design makes the tower look slender and more characteristic. Maybe, since it's just a study, those detailes are not going to be purely white but in a colour of some stone or metallic. Nevertheless I like it a lot.
I think we owe you big beer. Come and visit Warsaw and you're not going to complain about lack of it Thanks a lot for your info.

Stolek said:

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Prosta Tower

Druga 36-piętrowa wieża ma powstać przy rondzie Daszyńskiego, na południowym narożniku ulic Towarowej i Prostej. Mierzący blisko 150 m biurowiec chce tu postawić belgijski deweloper Ghelamco. Gmach zaprojektowała pracownia M&J-M Jaspers - J.Eyers & Partners, również z Belgii. Kolorystyką ma przypominać turecki wieżowiec Millennium Plaza przy Al. Jerozolimskich. Będzie jednak od niego znacznie zgrabniejszy. Zamiast z toporną kabiną prysznicową będzie się raczej kojarzyć z żaglem deski windsurfingowej.

- Na jednym z ostatnich pięter planujemy restaurację z przepiękną panoramą na Warszawę - wyjawia Anna Krystecka z Ghelamco.

Liczy na to, że jej firma będzie mogła zacząć budowę na początku przyszłego roku.

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Ghelamco dopiero zaczyna starać się o zgody w ratuszu. Nie jest pewne, czy będzie mogła budować tak wysoko, jak zamierza. Dla tego rejonu opracowany jest projekt planu zagospodarowania, który w tym narożniku Prostej i Towarowej dopuszcza budowę tylko do 90 m. Jednak plan ten utknął w sądzie i na razie jeszcze nie obowiązuje.

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Przy pobieznym (nie jestem wiec na 100% pewny) przegladaniu ostatniego Eurobuilda wpadla mi w oko wiadomosc, ze obecnie planuja rozpoczecie budowy na 2009r, niestety. Jezeli tak, to pewnie dlatego, ze chca najpierw wybudowac i spieniezyc biurowce przy Bellonie.

The third rendering is a rendering how it will be like, when the towers are builded. All of them will be build. The residental tower on the background will be build on the same plot as the tower on the foreground.
I don't understand your question, Megaptera.
I hope that you have something with bij answer.

By the way Jaspers-Eyers and Partners is planning twe beautiful desgin tower for the EU in Brussels.

You can find more information about the the new twin towers for the EU in this threads:

- http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=449143
- http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=235304
- http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=451931

and on the website www.jaspers-Eyers.be, on that site you can find also more information about WZ Graf.

^^ Thanks a lot for the awsome news! :cheers:

Czy oby ta "residential tower" nie ma na dachu charakterystycznego "grzybka" vel "beretu"??

^^ na to wygląda... ale czy to źle?

Thanks Potie!
You've answered my question. I just wasn't sure whether the rendering with three towers shows real three towers to be built or is an artistic vision of Prosta Tower seen from two directions and the residential tower.
Those two that high towers on the "church plot" are real novelty for us, since Ghelamco so far applied for a permit for residentials that were to be only 100m and 57m high.
It also seemed a bit strange, that two of those three planned towers are twins, but the new Brussels project shows that it's not unusual for Jaspers&Eyers