sorry. temasek and GIC has lost too much money. there will be no funds to plan any more new line 
West Coast Line
I agree that a West Coast Line is a possible future 3-car MRT line. I would not connect it with HarbourFront though, since the CCL5 will already run west along the coast from HarbourFront. I would run a West Coast Line from Gul Circle station east along the southern side of or under the AYE, interchange with the CCL at Kent Ridge, interchange at Outram Park, station at or very near Mccallum and Robinson, interchange at Raffles Place, station at Theatres on the Bay, interchange at Promenade, then terminate at the first ERL station east of the Benjamin Sheares Bridge. At the western end, I would have the West Coast Line take over the Tuas West extension and leave the Tuas South extension as part of the EWL. That would be about 27 or 28 kilometers not including the Tuas West extension.Well, I think there will be a need for a West Coast Line/South West Line, the speculated NEL extension. The Concept Plan clearly shows an MRT line besides the 2 EWL forks running into the west and along with Jurong Island.
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I think the government still has more money in reserve, per capita, than any other country in the world. They could cut taxes and easily still invest heavily in MRT.sorry. temasek and GIC has lost too much money. there will be no funds to plan any more new line
Well, the recession in the US is expected to end as early as end of this year partly thanks to the Obama's administration's policies. So I guess the world economy will pick up by end of 2010.
Anyway, don't be daunted by the SGD 60 billion loss. To you and me, it seems like a lot of money but in government terms, it's probably about 10% or 20% of GDP which can be easily earned back, especially when the economy starts to pick up.
Anyway, don't be daunted by the SGD 60 billion loss. To you and me, it seems like a lot of money but in government terms, it's probably about 10% or 20% of GDP which can be easily earned back, especially when the economy starts to pick up.
I think we could say that the recovery will be despite the Obama administration's policies. Borrowing trillions to pump it into bankrupt enterprises takes money out of the economy just to put it back it. It's just like taking buckets of water from the deep end of a swimming pool and pouring them into the shallow end except:Well, the recession in the US is expected to end as early as end of this year partly thanks to the Obama's administration's policies.
- subsidizing anything results in more of that thing, including bad business decisions,
- all the people involved in taking money from the successful parts of the economy to pour into the unsuccessful parts could have been doing something productive instead, and
- government borrowing of trillions dries up the availability of credit for the entrepreneurial uses that grow the economy.
Exactly right. Equity funds have good years and they have bad years. It's quite normal and expected.Anyway, don't be daunted by the SGD 60 billion loss. To you and me, it seems like a lot of money but in government terms, it's probably about 10% or 20% of GDP which can be easily earned back, especially when the economy starts to pick up.
Can we now return the discussion to ddes[/d]'s idea of a West Coast Line?
Since this West Coast Line is purely speculation, I'd like to suggest rather than being a West Coast MRT line, it should be a West Coast Railway.
I was watching Discovery Channel's Shanghai transformation. They talked about the Expo 2010 and had to move a shipping terminal to Yangshan port and that small portion had cost USD 6 billion. So it might take longer than expected to move the PSA terminals out of Tanjong Pagar and Keppel, or not at all.
Since the West Coast viaduct was mainly built to mainly service the many container trucks that transport goods between the various port terminals as well as head into the industrial area, could it be better for a cargo/passenger railway, sort of like the East Rail Line arrangement in Hong Kong? Don't get me wrong. I'm only merely suggesting a cargo railway for transshipment cargo purposes, means between the different port terminals and the warehouses only. In an analogy, it's the equivalent of a SkyTrain for passengers in transit. The cargo will not be Singapore-bound, so there's no need to engage in time wastage of transferring cargo twice.
The line could also be cross-border too (only for the cargo portion).
I'm expecting that at some point in time in the future, SBST and SMRT will reach a peak to the number of passengers they'll carry so they'll need to look for other avenues of growth, either by investing overseas, or finding new markets.
I was watching Discovery Channel's Shanghai transformation. They talked about the Expo 2010 and had to move a shipping terminal to Yangshan port and that small portion had cost USD 6 billion. So it might take longer than expected to move the PSA terminals out of Tanjong Pagar and Keppel, or not at all.
Since the West Coast viaduct was mainly built to mainly service the many container trucks that transport goods between the various port terminals as well as head into the industrial area, could it be better for a cargo/passenger railway, sort of like the East Rail Line arrangement in Hong Kong? Don't get me wrong. I'm only merely suggesting a cargo railway for transshipment cargo purposes, means between the different port terminals and the warehouses only. In an analogy, it's the equivalent of a SkyTrain for passengers in transit. The cargo will not be Singapore-bound, so there's no need to engage in time wastage of transferring cargo twice.
The line could also be cross-border too (only for the cargo portion).
I'm expecting that at some point in time in the future, SBST and SMRT will reach a peak to the number of passengers they'll carry so they'll need to look for other avenues of growth, either by investing overseas, or finding new markets.
There is no reason why freight containers couldn't be carried on an underground rail line, so long as hazmat is excluded.
There is no reason why SBST and SMRT must grow forever. There are many viable companies which are stable in size for decades.
There is no reason why SBST and SMRT must grow forever. There are many viable companies which are stable in size for decades.
Found on sgforums.
West Coast Line
WC1 Promenade
WC2 Bayfront
WC3 Marina Bay
WC4 Shenton Way
WC5 Duxton
WC6 Kampong Bahru
WC7 Kim Tian
WC8 Henderson
WC9 Lengkok Bahru
WC10 Alexandra
WC11 Portsdown
WC12 Science Park
WC13 Kent Ridge
WC14 University
WC15 Kent Vale
WC16 Ginza
WC17 Ayer Rajah
WC18 Pandan
WC19 Teban
WC20 Taman Jurong
WC21 Boon Lay
WC22 Jurong West
WC23 Nanyang
West Coast Line
WC1 Promenade
WC2 Bayfront
WC3 Marina Bay
WC4 Shenton Way
WC5 Duxton
WC6 Kampong Bahru
WC7 Kim Tian
WC8 Henderson
WC9 Lengkok Bahru
WC10 Alexandra
WC11 Portsdown
WC12 Science Park
WC13 Kent Ridge
WC14 University
WC15 Kent Vale
WC16 Ginza
WC17 Ayer Rajah
WC18 Pandan
WC19 Teban
WC20 Taman Jurong
WC21 Boon Lay
WC22 Jurong West
WC23 Nanyang
^^ Interesting.
Promenade - Bayfront - Marina Bay is already covered by the CCL.
From about Kampong Bahru to about Teban, the proposed route seems good. I used to think that terminating such a route at NTU made sense, but now I'm thinking that Gul Circle makes more sense, with NTU served by an underground LRT line.
Promenade - Bayfront - Marina Bay is already covered by the CCL.
From about Kampong Bahru to about Teban, the proposed route seems good. I used to think that terminating such a route at NTU made sense, but now I'm thinking that Gul Circle makes more sense, with NTU served by an underground LRT line.
i mean Marina Bay branch line extend to Nanyang stn.^^ Interesting.
Promenade - Bayfront - Marina Bay is already covered by the CCL.
From about Kampong Bahru to about Teban, the proposed route seems good. I used to think that terminating such a route at NTU made sense, but now I'm thinking that Gul Circle makes more sense, with NTU served by an underground LRT line.
^^ I see.
I envision the Marina Bay branch becoming the main line of the CCL and the Dhoby Ghaut branch becoming a shuttle like the Changi Airport Extension. I expect that someday the CCL will become a closed circle connecting Marina Bay to HarbourFront. I envision a West Coast Line running about midway between the EWL and a future Marina Bay to HarbourFront CCL6 from the CBD to Kent Ridge station.
I envision the Marina Bay branch becoming the main line of the CCL and the Dhoby Ghaut branch becoming a shuttle like the Changi Airport Extension. I expect that someday the CCL will become a closed circle connecting Marina Bay to HarbourFront. I envision a West Coast Line running about midway between the EWL and a future Marina Bay to HarbourFront CCL6 from the CBD to Kent Ridge station.
That seems quite credible, and it will serve quite a few areas that are currently quite busy but do not have direct access to MRT, such as Kim Tian, Henderson, ABC Market area and IKEA, and also Clementi-West Coast area and Teban gardens.Found on sgforums.
West Coast Line
WC1 Promenade
WC2 Bayfront
WC3 Marina Bay
WC4 Shenton Way
WC5 Duxton
WC6 Kampong Bahru
WC7 Kim Tian
WC8 Henderson
WC9 Lengkok Bahru
WC10 Alexandra
WC11 Portsdown
WC12 Science Park
WC13 Kent Ridge
WC14 University
WC15 Kent Vale
WC16 Ginza
WC17 Ayer Rajah
WC18 Pandan
WC19 Teban
WC20 Taman Jurong
WC21 Boon Lay
WC22 Jurong West
WC23 Nanyang
Something I found on a the website for SAA Architects, anyone game on figuring what's that extra line?
http://www.saaarchitects.com.sg/projects/transport/buona vista/bnv.htm
Wow! No idea. The seems to be to the east. I don't think they've elevated the canal. KTM runs past there but in a different direction. Hmmm.Something I found on a the website for SAA Architects, anyone game on figuring what's that extra line?
MM Lee in malaysia to talk about tanjong pagar rail station?
It's an above ground line. My guess would be an LRT serving the area.
I don't know what's that extra line, but it seems to be the scrapped Buona Vista LRT system. Back in the 90s, LTA proposed to build the Bukit Panjang and Buona Vista LRT systems, but later they scrapped the plan for the Buona Vista LRT system.Something I found on a the website for SAA Architects, anyone game on figuring what's that extra line?
http://www.saaarchitects.com.sg/projects/transport/buona vista/bnv.htm
My version of the West Coast Line goes like this:
From CCL West Coast station, the line proceeds west along West Coast Road, Jalan Buroh, Pioneer Rd and finally meet with EW31 Tuas Crescent station. It will be using 3-cars trains.
I also wish for a future line connecting Outram Park and one-north via Jalan Bukit Merah, Queensway and the Portsdown area.
Why Tuas Crescent rather than Gul Circle? If a West Coast Line connects to Gul Circle, it can take over one of the Tuas branches and leave the other one to the EWL. Clean and simple with Gul Circle becoming an interchange station. If a West Coast Line goes to Tuas Crescent, a commuter traveling between the West Coast Line and the Tuas South extension has to change trains twice.My version of the West Coast Line goes like this:
From CCL West Coast station, the line proceeds west along West Coast Road, Jalan Buroh, Pioneer Rd and finally meet with EW31 Tuas Crescent station. It will be using 3-cars trains.
Also, I don't think LTA would be enthusiastic about a radial line that only extended outward from the CCL. They would want any new radial line to interchange with the CCL and then proceed into and perhaps through the CBD, adding some new stations and interchanging with other lines through the CBD.
Forcing everyone using the West Coast Line to get into the CBD to get off at West Coast station and transfer to the CCL might cause a lot of congestion on the CCL between Buona Vista and HarbourFront.
Why not combine this with the West Coast line, interchanging with the CCL at Kent Ridge? That also makes it easy to serve NUS.I also wish for a future line connecting Outram Park and one-north via Jalan Bukit Merah, Queensway and the Portsdown area.
I would continue onward past Outram Park interchanging at Raffles Place and Promenade with new stations in between and perhaps continue past Promenade to interchange with the ERL in or near Tanjong Rhu.
Actually, I honestly hope that LTA hasn't scrapped plans for a Buona Vista LRT and has merely postponed it. An LRT system or a monorail is best suited to support the one-north developments as well as possibly the Science Park and NUS itself. I think it's the only real place where the Singapore style LRT could work.
^^
Perhaps an underground LRT interchanging at one-north, Dover, Holland Village, and Commonwealth?
Perhaps an underground LRT interchanging at one-north, Dover, Holland Village, and Commonwealth?
I think an interchange with Buona Vista, one-north and Kent Ridge is enough. It's be better elevated because the place is just too hilly and the system could be more expensive than imagined. Plus, a lot of the one-north developments are "multi-level".
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