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I would say the best example of a suburban city I have seen would
be Kansas City, Missouri. Yes, they have the country club plaza and are improving their downtown they are still very suburban. I believe Kansas City is about 450,000 people with-in 300 square miles so the city itself has very low population density. Ive heard Kansas City is a great place if you like tons of space though. Omaha is another very suburban city with only 850,000 people in the metro the city sprawls for at least 20 miles from downtown, what are they up to now 220th street. Alot of times suburban cities have vibrant suburbs but very few happening areas in the city itself. Colorado Springs also is a very suburban city not even 600,000 people in the metro area and it sprawls 30 miles along Interstate 25 mostly with commercial big box retailers and strip-malls with at least a dozen chinese restaurants on every major throughfare.


I would say a neighborhoods kind of city is Columbus, Ohio. Downtown as of 2003 when I was there was not their strong suit at all. All the activity was in its many vibrant urban neighborhoods. Short North has at least 70 art galleries and many, many restaurants and bars. The brewery district with bars, The german village with its great architecture, Grandview Heights commercial strip, The many many people always walking along High Street near OSU.
Columbus I dont think the city of sprawl nearly as much as people would wanna
convince, for a metropolitan area the population of Indianapolis it seems smaller in land area. Pittsburgh and St. Louis I would also put in this category.

Downtown city: I would say Indianapolis is a "downtown city" they keep the downtown looking good with tons of stuff around and the 4 storey mall. But once your in the neighborhoods you can tell they have pretty much put all the cities chips in the downtown area. Other downtown cities would be Denver, Des Moines and Madison (along that strip between the lakes)
 

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For the ones Im familiar with

Dayton= suburban city

Louisville= neighborhood city

and I agree with Indianapolis being a downtown city and Columbus being neighborhood.

Sacramento is or used to be pretty much suburban, but it is turning into a downtown city
 

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Other downtown cities would be Denver, Des Moines and Madison (along that strip between the lakes)
I wouldnt really say Madison as a downtown city (i know this will piss someone off) because it really doesnt have much of a downtown ive been there like at least 10 times but unlike a lot of people on this site i will admit i could be wrong, But like what you said about the other cities i agree with you, and also i never been to phoenix but that city has always seemed more of a neighborhood city
 

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Jeff_in_Dayton said:
For the ones Im familiar with

Dayton= suburban city

Louisville= neighborhood city

and I agree with Indianapolis being a downtown city and Columbus being neighborhood.

Sacramento is or used to be pretty much suburban, but it is turning into a downtown city
Louisville has a downtown which is not impressive to me but I have to admit that the got some very nice neighborhoods like the Bardstown and the Highlands.

I notice that Dayton is trying with their downtown. Last time I was there it seemed like activity was picking up. But then again Dayton is only about 20% of the metropolitan areas population so it doesnt have the tax base to improve as fast as other places. I notice the suburbs of Dayton go on and on!!
 

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^Madison is a neighborhood city...as is Milwaukee. Our downtown is fine, but the neighborhoods surrounding it is what makes the city truly shine in my opinion.
 

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Most American cities are considered suburban in development... am I right? Even cities like Miami, which may seem more urban than suburban, maybe right at the waterfront, but the city is very suburban. Los Angeles in many parts is suburban in development, though there are alot of various areas where it is dense, just not in terms of height... same thing with most cities outside of the Northeast. So basically cities like, Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Columbus, Denver, DFW, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Louisville, Memphis, Nashville, Orlando, Phoenix, Raleigh, San Antonio, Seattle, St. Louis, Tampa are all suburban in development. Only cities I can think of that are more urban are Baltimore, Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, Washington D.C....
 

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Most American cities are considered suburban in development... am I right? Even cities like Miami, which may seem more urban than suburban, maybe right at the waterfront, but the city is very suburban. Los Angeles in many parts is suburban in development, though there are alot of various areas where it is dense, just not in terms of height... same thing with most cities outside of the Northeast. So basically cities like, Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Columbus, Denver, DFW, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Louisville, Memphis, Nashville, Orlando, Phoenix, Raleigh, San Antonio, Seattle, St. Louis, Tampa are all suburban in development. Only cities I can think of that are more urban are Baltimore, Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, Washington D.C....
Yes, because they are so urban?

Chicago is sprawling worse then all the cities you mentioned as "Suburban". New York being the worst of them all. San Francisco's sprawling as well, infact, every city is. Your only listing the cities that have a dense core, be them buildings or simply the tiny city limits.
 

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Yes, because they are so urban?

Chicago is sprawling worse then all the cities you mentioned as "Suburban". New York being the worst of them all. San Francisco's sprawling as well, infact, every city is. Your only listing the cities that have a dense core, be them buildings or simply the tiny city limits.
He was referring to the actual city, which is really what matters. Every city's metro area is going to be suburban. The Chicago metro sprawls, just like any other, but the city is the farthest thing from suburban.
 

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Drizo said:
Most American cities are considered suburban in development... am I right? Even cities like Miami, which may seem more urban than suburban, maybe right at the waterfront, but the city is very suburban. Los Angeles in many parts is suburban in development, though there are alot of various areas where it is dense, just not in terms of height... same thing with most cities outside of the Northeast. So basically cities like, Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Columbus, Denver, DFW, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Louisville, Memphis, Nashville, Orlando, Phoenix, Raleigh, San Antonio, Seattle, St. Louis, Tampa are all suburban in development. Only cities I can think of that are more urban are Baltimore, Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, Washington D.C....
Seattle suburban? I agree with you on Columbus suburban though...
 

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I'll take back Seattle as being suburban, its similar to Chicago, just not as many skyscrapers yet. Also Portland isn't very urban either, just used it to be sarcastic, its pretty suburban, though they just don't sprawl as much as other cities.
 

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Charlotte, while gaining density in its downtown area, is largely suburban, with a bit of neighborhood thrown in.
 

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Baltimore is certainly a neighborhood city. In total there are about 100 neighborhoods in the city.

Baltimore is also a downtown city too. Downtown Baltimore is one of the most dense downtowns in the country. In fact, the only downtowns with more residents than downtown Baltimore are those in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and L.A.
 

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San Diego is a neighborhoods city. Even downtown is just another neighborhood. Not that its a bad thing, because they aren't neglecting downtown(in recent years anyway). The city itself is implementing this whole "City of Villages" thing.
 
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