D.C./Baltimore. I wont go as far as to say that they are trying to boost their importance, but including Baltimore into the D.C. metro area is misleading. The same goes for Miami/Ft. Lauderdale (forgive me if I misspelled that), San Fran/San Jose, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and of course Dallas/Ft. Worth.
what city uses other big cities in a metro to boost their importance?
I havea problem with Dallas thinking that Ft. Worth is the same city as Dallas. Many of their statistics are scewed because Ft. Worth is included in them. Ft. Worth is a entirely seperate city and my it self is considered big.
Is it me or does anyone else have a problem with this?
Is it me or does anyone else have a problem with this?
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None of this is up to the individual metros-its all decided by the Office of Management and Budget, which is part of the Executive Branch of The Federal Govt. Perhaps you should forward your complaint to them?
maceo9903 said:Minneapolis/St. Paul
dmg1mn said:maceo9903 said:Minneapolis/St. PaulMy understanding of his question was what large cities use other large cities in their metro population figures. I listed Minnepolis/St. Paul because I dont beleive either is a suburb of the other. If Im wrong Im wrong and I apologize. I was just awnsering the question to the best of my knowledge.
you answered it right....
i believe Dallas has the worst problem with this.
i believe Dallas has the worst problem with this.
Yes, definetely Dallas. And then Bay Area.
I am not going to speak on any of the others, but how exactly is including St. Paul in the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area figure "misleading"? The title of the metro area tells you that St. Paul is included.maceo9903 said:D.C./Baltimore. I wont go as far as to say that they are trying to boost their importance, but including Baltimore into the D.C. metro area is misleading. The same goes for Miami/Ft. Lauderdale (forgive me if I misspelled that), San Fran/San Jose, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and of course Dallas/Ft. Worth.
dude, minneapolis and st paul sit right on the edge of one and other.
i can see your guys point about dc/baltimore, dallas/ft.worth, even san fran/san jose.
i would have even mentioned seattle/tacoma as they are fifty miles apart.
however to include minneapolis/st paul is just assinine.
the two cities border each other directly, and have always been very interconnected.
these other metros are fair for this topic because they have sort of grown into each other. minn/st paul has grown as one metro for a long time if not forever.
i can see your guys point about dc/baltimore, dallas/ft.worth, even san fran/san jose.
i would have even mentioned seattle/tacoma as they are fifty miles apart.
however to include minneapolis/st paul is just assinine.
the two cities border each other directly, and have always been very interconnected.
these other metros are fair for this topic because they have sort of grown into each other. minn/st paul has grown as one metro for a long time if not forever.
also, i'm guessing this is just a ploy by a certain houston booster to argue just how much better houston is than dallas.
I'm not sure what the criteria is for "using other cities to boost their performance", but I'd say Baltimore has kept a pretty good distance away from DC. The media likes to jumble the two cities together, but Baltimore is totally on its own. It is its own city, it has its own reputation. The same is true for DC, but I gather DC is to be interpreted as the "more important" of the two and thus has more influence. Baltimore is a gritty, more touristy spot and DC is more of an employment hub.
Because as I said before, neither is a suburb of the other. I beleive St. Paul should have its own numbers and so should Minneapolis. The same goes for all the other cities listed in here so far.The anti-cheesehead said:I am not going to speak on any of the others, but how exactly is including St. Paul in the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area figure "misleading"? The title of the metro area tells you that St. Paul is included.
Exactly, Minneapolis does not belong in this list.veryprotourism said:dude, minneapolis and st paul sit right on the edge of one and other.
i can see your guys point about dc/baltimore, dallas/ft.worth, even san fran/san jose.
i would have even mentioned seattle/tacoma as they are fifty miles apart.
however to include minneapolis/st paul is just assinine.
the two cities border each other directly, and have always been very interconnected.
these other metros are fair for this topic because they have sort of grown into each other. minn/st paul has grown as one metro for a long time if not forever.
All the other cities are like 25+ miles away from eachother.maceo9903 said:Because as I said before, neither is a suburb of the other. I beleive St. Paul should have its own numbers and so should Minneapolis. The same goes for all the other cities listed in here so far.
Minneapolis & St. Paul border eachother. The downtowns are about 9 miles apart.
Ok. I guess you're right on that one. I was the one who listed that one and I can admit Im wrong. You make a very good argument.veryprotourism said:dude, minneapolis and st paul sit right on the edge of one and other.
i can see your guys point about dc/baltimore, dallas/ft.worth, even san fran/san jose.
i would have even mentioned seattle/tacoma as they are fifty miles apart.
however to include minneapolis/st paul is just assinine.
the two cities border each other directly, and have always been very interconnected.
these other metros are fair for this topic because they have sort of grown into each other. minn/st paul has grown as one metro for a long time if not forever.
Ok. I guess you're right on that one. I was the one who listed that one and I can admit Im wrong. You make a very good argument on Minneapolis/St. Paul, but I stick to my guns on all the others I listed.veryprotourism said:dude, minneapolis and st paul sit right on the edge of one and other.
i can see your guys point about dc/baltimore, dallas/ft.worth, even san fran/san jose.
i would have even mentioned seattle/tacoma as they are fifty miles apart.
however to include minneapolis/st paul is just assinine.
the two cities border each other directly, and have always been very interconnected.
these other metros are fair for this topic because they have sort of grown into each other. minn/st paul has grown as one metro for a long time if not forever.
Baltimore and D.C. are very different, but they are bumched together to make the "D.C. region" have a population of over 7 million and DFW is bunched together to have a population of close to 6 million. These numbers are misleading.Furiine said:I'm not sure what the criteria is for "using other cities to boost their performance", but I'd say Baltimore has kept a pretty good distance away from DC. The media likes to jumble the two cities together, but Baltimore is totally on its own. It is its own city, it has its own reputation. The same is true for DC, but I gather DC is to be interpreted as the "more important" of the two and thus has more influence. Baltimore is a gritty, more touristy spot and DC is more of an employment hub.
yep.this is exactly what this is.veryprotourism said:also, i'm guessing this is just a ploy by a certain houston booster to argue just how much better houston is than dallas.
DTD to DTFW is 30 miles apart. But I think the city limits can be 10 miles apart, though. Somebody from Dallas can explain that. I don't think it's misleading at all. Dallas-Ft Worth is all one. There is built land between the two. Many of Tarrant County(Ft Worth) residents work in Dallas anyway.
There is a serious problem here with many wanting to disregard metros and look purely at the totally irrelevant city boundaries and population. Perhaps Ft Worth is riding on Dallas... so what? Cities are regions now and some bleed into others. Some are so huge that there is the traditional (older) cultural city - perhaps the one with the biggest business district too.. but also significant other urban centers nearby - like the Bay area.
Or NYC and LA with a huge city surrounded by burbs and "small" cities that are now into the hundreds of thousands... that's the reality.
Or NYC and LA with a huge city surrounded by burbs and "small" cities that are now into the hundreds of thousands... that's the reality.
Greensboro/Winston-Salem. Both different cities that are about 30 minutes apart.
Same for Raleigh/Durham, but those two cities are a bit more connected with the RDU airport and RTP.
Same for Raleigh/Durham, but those two cities are a bit more connected with the RDU airport and RTP.
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