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Where is White Hart Yard? I've been to Grey's court and there's just a strip club and a bar next to it?
Walk to the left of the Bigg Market underground toilets onto Cloth Market and it's opposite where the Pig and Whistle used to be.
Yes best seen from the Cloth Market end, not the ahem gentleman's club. This is an image which dates back to circa 2000 and it may have changed since then?


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There is an excellent image courtesy of White Hart Yard courtesy of Jim Cocker on his Flickr page @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/571979893/
 

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Yes best seen from the Cloth Market end, not the ahem gentleman's club. This is an image which dates back to circa 2000 and it may have changed since then?


Image hosted on http://ellwood.fototime.com/Cloth Market

There is an excellent image courtesy of White Hart Yard courtesy of Jim Cocker on his Flickr page @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/571979893/
Excellent pic Steve, of course I don't need to remind you of the 'incident' with the explosives found there that they attempted to dump on the town moor :lol:

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Freemen
Magazine
Sheriff Rode With Death
Town Moor explosion killed ‘burial squad’
In December, 1867, the police learned
that a quantity of explosive was
stored in a cellar in the White Hart
Yard, and on examining it they found
it to be nitro-glycerine which had
been intended for blasting purposes
in mines and quarries. Following a
conference between the police
superintendent and local authority
representatives it was decided that
the nitro-glycerine should either be
removed from the town or destroyed.
The railway company however, would
have nothing to do with it, and it was
decided to pour it into depressions on
the Town Moor caused by the workings
of the Spital Tongues Colliery.
On a grey day in 1867, a cart, driven
by Thomas Appleby, laden with nine
canisters of deadly nitro-glycerine, left
the yard of the White Hart Inn in the
Flesh Market (now the Cloth Market),
Newcastle , bound for the Town Moor.
Behind it, in a cab, rode the Sheriff of
Newcastle John Mawson, the Town

surveyor Thomas Bryson and James
Shotton labourer, Police constable
Donald Bain and Sub-Inspector Wallis.
Their purpose was to see the material
safely buried. They did not know it, but
they were riding to their deaths...
Nor did two small boys and a man,
whose identity was never discovered,
know when they tagged on to the
procession out of curiosity, that they
were walking to their doom.
At the Town Moor the party converged
on a spot near where a wooden
building had been erected to serve as
a temporary hospital in the event of an
outbreak of cholera.

It was then found that a portion of
the nitro-glycerine had crystallised, on
the side of three of the canisters, Mr
Mawson asked for a sample to take
away for examination, which he put
in his pocket. He then said to Bryson,
Bain, Appleby and Shotton we will
take three tins and bury them under
the other hill, referring to a part of the
moor some little distance away leaving
Wallace to bury more of the lethal
material. Just as Wallace had finished
his task and was about to join the
others a violent explosion occurred.
Fragments of clothing and human
remains were sent flying in the air.

Wallace was uninjured having been
sheltered by a bank which lay
between him and his companion,
but on hurrying to the scene of the
explosion he found the mutilated and
shattered remains of Bain, portions
of his body having been blown
away. He next came to the body
of the cartman, Appleby, fearfully
disfigured and lifeless, and near him
the mutilated body of the labourer
Shotton, also dead.

In a hole he found the body of a boy,
later identified as Stanley Waddley, who
with another lad James Stonehouse
(who also died) had followed the cart
from the White Hart Yard. Nearby also
was found the body of the unknown
man, apparently about 40 who had
also followed the cart to the moor.
Lying on the side of the bank was Mr
Bryson and on the top was Mr Mawson.
Both alive but fearfully injured.
Wallace rushed for help into the town,
and Drs Fife and Heath set out for
the scene, but were preceded by a
young surgeon named Walpole, who
had been walking on the moor when
the explosion occurred, dust, stones,
fragments of clothing etc had fell all
around him, 30 yards away he found
a human foot believed to belong to
Constable Bain.
Walpole administered stimulants to
Bryson and placed him, Mawson and
the boy Waddley in the cart which had
brought the explosives to the moor,
and sent it to the Infirmary. Two hours
after being admitted Waddley died,
and in the early hours of the following
day, Bryson and Mawson succumbed.
The Tragedy caused great excitement
and consternation in the town, with a
great amount of indignation against
those who had stored the lethal
weapon in the centre of a large town.
A Mr Burrell had prevailed upon the
ostler of the White Hart Inn to allow him
to store the explosives in the cellar of
the Inn

http://www.freemenofnewcastle.com/magazines/FreemenMagazineIssue9.pdf

Also, another connection to the Spital Tongues collery and the Victoria Tunnel


Edit:

An 'Ostler' is a Stableman.

This interesting surname is of early medieval English origin, and is from an occupational name for an inn-keeper, derived from the Middle English (1200 - 1500) "(h)osteler", similar to the Old French "(h)ostelier", an agent derivative of "hostel, hostal", a house which could accommodate guests in separate rooms. The term was first applied to the secular officer in a monastery who was responsible for the lodging of visitor, but it was later extended to keepers of commercial hostelries, and this is probably the usual sense of the surname. The more restricted modern English sense "groom", is also a possible source.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Ostler#ixzz2iimThLFo




 

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White Hart Yard

Where is White Hart Yard? I've been to Grey's court and there's just a strip club and a bar next to it?
Took a look around White Hart Yard yesterday and its a shame that White Hart Yard is now closed to the public as its one of Newcastle's historic lanes.

Appears that from the Grey's Court end that it is being used as a outside smoking space for either Diamonds Gentleman's Club or Grey's Club or perhaps both.

Some other piece's of history about White Hart Yard that haven't been mentioned is that is was the site of a 'secret' Catholic Chapel during the Reformation. It was also where Scott and Turner Ltd had premises before moving to St Andrew's Street where they marketed their product Andrews Liver Salts.

Viewed from Grey's Court




Viewed from Cloth Market







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Heywood's Court

Might as well add this one to the mix as it runs from Grey's Court to Cloth Market but again is not open to the public, Heywood's Court. These photographs taken 28th October 2013.

View from Grey's Court


View from Cloth Market





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Great photos Steve. I find it odd that I cannot see any really old buildings along White Hart Yard or what building this link is referring to.http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1355229

Who's decision was it to have it gated? The NCC?

Surely by using it as cobbled streets (similar to York), it would look aesthetically pleasing in a rustic view...and can be used as short cuts.
 

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^^

Al,

I haven't had chance to study the above post yet, looking forward to doing so, but (as I promised you) I have "copied" into this Historic Newcastle thread the three relevant posts about White Hart Yard, Ships Entry and the Cloth Market Burgage Lanes and Yards generally from the General Knowledge thread, so that you can continue the story on here.

The three posts (while the originals are still on the General Knowledge thread) are now also on this thread, at post numbers . . .

4829 - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=116263177&postcount=4829
4830 - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=116263178&postcount=4830
4831 - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=116263179&postcount=4831


Let the story continue . . .
 

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Burgage Plot is the usual reference in Newcastle - check out this Wikipedia entry for an explanation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgage

The above post containing the explanation about "Burgage Plots" now indexed under "B" and cross-referenced to the many posts now on the forum about specific Burgage plots, under "Q" and "C".

Extract . . .

Burgage Plots - Mediaeval Land Term, used in Newcastle to describe old/narrow lanes (Examples under "Q" for 'Quayside' and "C" for 'Cloth Market')
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=116407233&postcount=4864
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Thanks for the links! It's a shame they're inaccessible as it's rare to have remaining medieval areas in a city centre. They should be cleaned up, promoted for their historical value and opened up in the day time.
 

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Using the map that accompanied this application, I've marked Ship Entry in red.

One of the things I hope we can get out of this investigation into the various Burgage Plots (narrow alleys/lanes/yards) off Cloth Market, is a complete list of 'all names' and perhaps a fully labelled MAP.

The above map is probably pretty much it, but can I ask Al?

Do you feel we can now label all the names on a map, or is there still one "Lane/Burgage Plot" that a name has not yet been found for?

The below post (one of your 'original three' posts) refers. It shows a lane that is "a couple of doors up from White Hart Yard"?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=116263179&postcount=4831

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Cloth Market Lanes/Yards/Entry

One of the things I hope we can get out of this investigation into the various Burgage Plots (narrow alleys/lanes/yards) off Cloth Market, is a complete list of 'all names' and perhaps a fully labelled MAP.

The above map is probably pretty much it, but can I ask Al?

Do you feel we can now label all the names on a map, or is there still one "Lane/Burgage Plot" that a name has not yet been found for?

The below post (one of your 'original three' posts) refers. It shows a lane that is "a couple of doors up from White Hart Yard"?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=116263179&postcount=4831

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This plan may help for folk to see the lane in question - shown as C. White Swan Yard is at B.


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Hidden yard in Newcastle city centre to be transformed by £2.5m redevelopment
Nov 23, 2014 19:00 By Coreena Ford
Ladhar Leisure say the finished venue in Newcastle city centre will rival destination developments in London's Shoreditch and Dalston


Artist impression of the White Hart YardArtist impression of the White Hart Yard
A hidden gem tucked away behind Grey Street is to be transformed in a £2.5m redevelopment project set to create around 100 jobs.

The Ladhar group has already breathed new life into the Newcastle Quayside through the successful openings of Hop and Cleaver and The Redhouse, representing more than £1m of investment into the rejuvenated area.

Now the group is embarking on a 15-year plan focussed on White Hart Yard - 30,000sqft of Grade I property between Grey Street and the Cloth Market - in a two-phase scheme inspired by the destination pop-up developments of Shoreditch and Dalston in London

The project, which will be carried out in stages, will eventually encompass five floors and – including terraced areas – at least nine different zones.
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The firm’s gentlemen’s club is to switch to the other side of the building and the second phase will see a late night venue move upstairs.
More:http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/hidden-yard-newcastle-city-centre-8160607

Gentlemen's club... cough, splutter...
 

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For comparison, here's a couple of pictures I've posted elsewhere on here. I presume they'll be keeping, strengthening or even electrifying the gates at the Bigg Market entrance to their little slice of Shoreditch.



 

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Hidden yard in Newcastle city centre to be transformed by £2.5m redevelopment
Nov 23, 2014 19:00 By Coreena Ford

Ladhar Leisure say the finished venue in Newcastle city centre will rival destination developments in London's Shoreditch and Dalston


Artist impression of the White Hart YardArtist impression of the White Hart Yard

A hidden gem tucked away behind Grey Street is to be transformed in a £2.5m redevelopment project set to create around 100 jobs. The Ladhar group has already breathed new life into the Newcastle Quayside through the successful openings of Hop and Cleaver and The Redhouse, representing more than £1m of investment into the rejuvenated area.

Now the group is embarking on a 15-year plan focussed on White Hart Yard - 30,000sqft of Grade I property between Grey Street and the Cloth Market - in a two-phase scheme inspired by the destination pop-up developments of Shoreditch and Dalston in London. The project, which will be carried out in stages, will eventually encompass five floors and – including terraced areas – at least nine different zones.


More:http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/hidden-yard-newcastle-city-centre-8160607

This location seemed very familiar, and it occurred to me it was a 're-working' of the proposed Hotel Development in that area, that has yet to get off the ground. It has its own thread . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1345823

On further investigation, this new proposal appears to be the 'next block' up (White Hart Yard as opposed to Drury Lane) but there are strong similarities . . .


A few images from the 'Grey Street Hotel' Planning Application.


 

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For comparison, here's a couple of pictures I've posted elsewhere on here. I presume they'll be keeping, strengthening or even electrifying the gates at the Bigg Market entrance to their little slice of Shoreditch.

They're going to need armed guards [or if they leave it open it allows the Bigg Market to connect with Grey St, which I sure will delight all :)

This location seemed very familiar, and it occurred to me it was a 're-working' of the proposed Hotel Development in that area, that has yet to get off the ground. It has its own thread . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1345823

On further investigation, this new proposal appears to be the 'next block' up (White Hart Yard as opposed to Drury Lane) but there are strong similarities . . .
I was thinking he same thing - the loony Dorchester of the North. As far as I know it s the same developers. Per Al it will need some rather careful management of some of the more colourful Bigg market drinkers.
 

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They're going to need armed guards [or if they leave it open it allows the Bigg Market to connect with Grey St, which I sure will delight all :)

I was thinking he same thing - the loony Dorchester of the North. As far as I know it s the same developers. Per Al it will need some rather careful management of some of the more colourful Bigg market drinkers.
Are The Ladhar group and DAV Developments (Mulhotra Group) the same company, I had always thought they were separate?

I would image that the developer may try and gate the alleyway, much as DAV tried to do, unsuccessfully, on Drury Lane.
 

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Are The Ladhar group and DAV Developments (Mulhotra Group) the same company, I had always thought they were separate?

I would image that the developer may try and gate the alleyway, much as DAV tried to do, unsuccessfully, on Drury Lane.
Ah no - completely separate. I was conflating the two.

My reading is that there is a gate on the Cloth Market end [albeit not closed] and the other end already has heavy stable type gates.
 
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