Woodberry Down | Manor House | Complete + Demo

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Discussion Starter · May 20, 2014

This project doesn't seem to have its own thread. With the new planning permission, it looks like it's going to become a large enough development to warrant its own thread.

New planning permission for:

3,242 new homes
120,000 sq ft of non residential floorspace

In full: http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2014/05/19/berkeley-3000-home-london-estate-renewal-approved/

Already under construction since 2005:

862 new homes
180 homes under construction

The full project will provide:

4.284 homes
Half of the homes will be affordable
Three new public parks
Transport improvements
Community centre
Library
Academy
Extended primary school
Children's centre
Retail and commercial space

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spindrift

· #2 · May 20, 2014

Google Tony Pidgley, chairman of one of Britain’s biggest housebuilders, and you’ll find a video in which he shows off his latest toy. The plaything in question is a giant council estate that his firm, Berkeley Homes, is smashing up and building over.

A squat, punchy figure, he shows a reporter around the new towers – and the gashed old blocks that, we’re informed, were used in Schindler’s List as a stand-in for the Warsaw Ghetto.

“You can understand why they used it in the film,” begins Pidgley in a reasonable tone. “It looks like a concentration camp.”

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...tion-how-woodberry-down-became-woodberry-park

Spielberg filmed in Kazimierz, Podgorze, Krakow and Auschwitz. Warsaw wasn't used as a location, London certainly wasn't, that remark's tasteless, crass and dishonest.

Comments are interesting, it's the "gentrification" versus "social cleansing" debate again.

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Mark_Fulham

· #3 · May 20, 2014

Surely, developers only do what they are given permission to do by the local authority.

Sadly it is only small groups of people like us (on this site) who take an active interest in planning and argue about merits or alternatives for new planning applications.

Generally there seems to be a myth out there that developers simply buy up some land and do whatever they want to do. This lets local authorities get away with bad decisions as the public will simply blame the developer.
The council will probably try to claim all the credit for the new library, school, academy of course..

Quite often (perhaps here) it seems that the developer is doing the "dirty work" of the council and "gentrifying" a run-down area.

We need to be encouraging everyone to get involved in the planning process.

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Medo

· #4 · Feb 18, 2015

Construction update:

The completed tower is 25 storeys and the one under construction is 30 storeys I think.

On the left you can see the kind of building they demolished to make way for these.

Is it gentrification? For sure it is. Is it an improvement on what was there before? Of course. I'm not a sociologist, so can't comment on the impact of all these developments.

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Grimbarian

· #5 · Feb 18, 2015

Is it an improvement? Aesthetically definitely. But socially it seems to do little to benefit the community and further limits the availability of much needed social housing. I know a lot of developments do the same, but this seems one of the worst for completely looking down on the less well off residents already here.

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Union Man

· #6 · Feb 20, 2015 (Edited)

Does anyone know the full height of the two buildings?

Edit:

Found the planning app, looks like we have another +100 meter building to add to London.

The tallest building still u/c in Medo's photo is in phase one (KSS3), Block 1A is a 31 storey tower reaching a height of 101m AGL.

Link to planning to the overall site: Hackney Planning Report (see pages 7 to 8)

Link to planning specifically to the tower and its near neighbours: Hackney Planning Report

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Core Rising

· #7 · Feb 20, 2015

I can't find the original elevations for the older complete KSS1 tower. That planning app. appears to be from 2007, and I don't think it's on the Hackney planning portal - only later amendments to it are.

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Union Man

· #8 · Mar 11, 2015

Here is a link to the Berkeley Groups brochure of the (101m) 31 storey tower called, 'Skyline'. Your have some pretty good views from there. berkeley-woodberry-down-skyline.pdf

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Retro Specs

· #9 · Apr 1, 2015

I believe this photo shows this project in the distance. Taken from the Orbit.

IMG_1935 by inckamail, on Flickr

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chest

· #10 · Apr 7, 2015

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ill tonkso

· #11 · May 6, 2015

I'm wondering, is this visible from Brent Cross on the Thameslink routes? There's a tower project that has been bugging me for weeks, I can't work out what it is. It has to be this...

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Retro Specs

· #12 · May 16, 2015

From Green Lanes

IMG_0531 by inckamail, on Flickr

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Union Man

· #13 · Jun 20, 2015

DSCN0753 by UnionMan, on Flickr

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jock in da pool

· #14 · Jul 26, 2015

Found this on flickr

London July 1 2015 012 Woodberry Down Towers by DAVID HOLT, on Flickr

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Mr Cladding

· #15 · May 3, 2016

Woodberry Wetlands by diamond geezer, on Flickr

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potto

· #16 · Dec 3, 2016

low rise element under construction

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potto

· #17 · Dec 3, 2016

A direct, perhaps light rail, link with Canary Wharf makes so much sense!

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Mr Cladding

· #18 · Jun 26, 2017

Cladding similar to Grenfell has been found on this development, according to Hackney Citizen.

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stevekeiretsu

· #19 · Jun 26, 2017

i know that visual appearance and fire safety rating are completely independent, but given how many of the recent builds look like they've gone for a cheap option on the cladding, i cant help but wonder quite how high the final total of affected buildings will be. might we see 50, 60, 70% of the towers we've watched rise in the last construction boom being reclad? could be huge implications as far as this forum is concerned. like. I'm wondering who pays, would developers have some sort of insurance against such things or do they just have to eat it themselves? (charging the owners for it doesnt seem like it would wash right now). and even if money reserves were unlimited, there are only so many cranes and contractors to go around, so you'd have to envisage a knock-on effect to the respective developers' pipelines.

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Mr Cladding

· #20 · Jun 26, 2017

stevekeiretsu said:
i know that visual appearance and fire safety rating are completely independent, but given how many of the recent builds look like they've gone for a cheap option on the cladding, i cant help but wonder quite how high the final total of affected buildings will be. might we see 50, 60, 70% of the towers we've watched rise in the last construction boom being reclad? could be huge implications as far as this forum is concerned. like. I'm wondering who pays, would developers have some sort of insurance against such things or do they just have to eat it themselves? (charging the owners for it doesnt seem like it would wash right now). and even if money reserves were unlimited, there are only so many cranes and contractors to go around, so you'd have to envisage a knock-on effect to the respective developers' pipelines.

Indeed

It might be worth going through SE9s excellent compilation of London projects, to see if there any projects in the pipeline which are caught up.

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