Your demographic/ethnic projections of your city by area

I do not know if the thread is only about Usa towns, or the world, but here I speak a little about Brazil. Here in Brazil as I know due to the development of regions that concentrate the white population, the percentage of this population has been falling and the "Latino" or brown, adding:

In 2000:

White: 59%
Brown: 33%
African Brazilam: 5%
Asian: 2%
Ameríndos: 1%

In 2010:

White: 50%
Brown: 43%
African Braziliam: 5%
Asian: 1.5%
Native American: 0.5%

Population

1990: 125 million/GDP: 500 billion (12th)
2000: 169 milliom/GDP: 1,2 trillion (11th)
2010: 191 milliom/GDP: 1,9 trillion (8th)
2012 (estimative): 203,6 million/GDP: 2,5 trillion (6th)
2050 (estimative): 233 million/GDP: 11,5 trillion or 18,5 trillion (estimative)/ 3rd or 4th

GDP nominal

1- EUA
2- China
3- Japan
4- Germany
5- France 2.7 tri
6- Brazil 2.5 tri

If you are interested in this kind of thing for US data, this website is pretty good: http://www.s4.brown.edu/us2010/segregation2010/Default.aspx?msa=22500

Here is the data for my area.

Greater Hartford 1980
Non-Hispanic White: 87.9%
Black: 6.8%
Hispanic: 4.2%
Asian: 0.6%
Other: 0.5%

Greater Hartford 2010.
Non-Hispanic White: 71.6%
Black: 10.9%
Hispanic: 12.5%
Asian: 4.4%
Other: 0.6%

Few days ago, I posted the ethnic makeup evolution of the United States, Brazil and South Africa on "In the News"

Yuri S Andrade said:

% of Whites on Population - US and Brazil

The European mass immigration on the end of XIX century and early XX century, completely changed the ethnic makeup of both countries:

UNITED STATES

Year --- Population --- % Whites
1790 --- 3,929,214 --- 80.7% (black population peak: 19.3%)
1870 --- 38,558,371 --- 87.1% (first census after Civil War, black population: 12.7%)
1900 --- 75,994,575 --- 87.9%
1930 --- 122,775,046 --- 89.8% (white population peak and black lowest: 9.7%)
1940 --- 131,669,275 --- 89.8%
1970 --- 203,211,926 --- 83.5% (non-Hispanic whites only)
2010 --- 308,745,538 --- 63.7% (non-Hispanic whites only)



BRAZIL

Year --- Population --- % Whites
1872 --- 10,112,061 --- 37.4% (white population lowest; recorded at least)
1890 --- 14,333,915 --- 44.0% (first census after the abolition of slavery)
1940 --- 41,236,315 --- 63.5% (white population peak)
1950 --- 51,944,397 --- 61.7%
2010 --- 190,755,799 --- 47.7%

Brazil's "whitest" states (SP and the 3 southern ones) followed this very similar pattern. In São Paulo, however, the white population relative decline was far larger due the Northeastern migration between 1960-1990:

São Paulo
Year --- Population --- % Whites
1872 --- 837,354 --- 51.8% (white population lowest; recorded at least)
1890 --- 1,384,753 --- 63.1%
1940 --- 7,180,316 --- 84.9%
1950 --- 9,134,423 --- 85.6% (white population peak)
2010 --- 41,262,199 --- 63.9%

Paraná
Year --- Population --- % Whites
1872 --- 126,722 --- 55.0% (white population lowest; recorded at least)
1890 --- 249,491 --- 63.8%
1940 --- 1,236,276 --- 86.6% (white population peak)
1950 --- 2,115,547 --- 86.3%
2010 --- 10,444,526 --- 70.3%

Santa Catarina
Year --- Population --- % Whites
1872 --- 159,802 --- 78.8% (white population lowest; recorded at least)
1890 --- 283,769 --- 84.8%
1940 --- 1,178,340 --- 94.4%
1950 --- 1,560,502 --- 94.6% (white population peak)
2010 --- 6,248,436 --- 84.0%

Rio Grande do Sul
Year --- Population --- % Whites
1872 --- 434,813 --- 59.4% (white population lowest; recorded at least)
1890 --- 897,455 --- 70.2%
1940 --- 3,320,689 --- 88.7%
1950 --- 4,164,821 --- 89.1% (white population peak)
2010 --- 10,693,929 --- 83.2%

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Yuri S Andrade said:

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And now South Africa, completing the three most interesting countries when it comes to ethnic makeup:

SOUTH AFRICA

Year --- Population --- % Whites
1820 --- 1,550,000 --- 2.8%
1870 --- 2,547,000 --- 11.0%
1900 --- 5,176,000 --- 21.6%
1920 --- 6,927,000 --- 22.0% (white population peak)
1940 --- 10,341,000 --- 20.8%
1970 --- 21,794,000 --- 17.3%
1990 --- 37,944,000 --- 13.4%
2001 --- 44,820,000 --- 9.6%

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The pattern is also very similar to the US and Brazil's ones. The white population increased in a very fast pace up to the 1970's (relatively speaking).

After the apartheid, the huge drop: over than one million of White South Africans and their children live abroad.

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As we can see, both the US and Brazil had their "white peak" in 1940, after the Great European Immigration. São Paulo state pattern is particularly similar to the US, with Northeasterners on the role of Hispanics, helping shrinking the white share on the population in a rather fast pace.

The black peak in both countries was found on the first census conducted: 1790 (US) and 1872 (Brazil).


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And my city and district:

Yuri S Andrade said:

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The city:

LONDRINA

Population --- 506.701

Age:
-14 --- 105.275 --- 20,78%
+70 --- 28.508 --- 5,63%

Ethnic makeup:
White --- 356.542 --- 70,37%
Mixed --- 110.305 --- 21,77%
Black --- 21.791 --- 4,30%
Asian --- 17.448 --- 3,44%

Men --- 243.059 --- 47,97%
Women --- 263.642 --- 52,03%

GDP 2009 --- R$ 8.884.459.000,00
GDP per capita --- R$ 17.396,39

Average income --- R$ 1.043,69

Household income*:
0 - 1/2 SM --- 1.204 --- 0,73%
1/2 - 1 SM --- 12.252 --- 7,43%
1 - 2 SM --- 27.988 --- 16,97%
2 - 5 SM --- 65.730 --- 39,86%
5 - 10 SM --- 34.554 --- 20,95%
10 - 20 SM --- 13.533 --- 8,21%
+ 20 SM --- 5.299 --- 3,21%

Prevalence of goods in the households:
TV --- 97,53%
Fridge --- 99,09%
Washing machine --- 73,16%
Computer --- 58,49%
Car --- 60,83%

High school degree or above --- 181.654 --- 35,85%
College degree --- 64.578 --- 14,65%

Foreign-born --- 2.814 --- 0,56%


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And my hood:

CENTRO

Population --- 32.601

Age:
-14 --- 3.209 --- 9,84%
+70 --- 3.405 --- 10,44%

Ethnic makeup:
White --- 27.297 --- 83,73%
Asian --- 2.967 --- 9,10%
Mixed --- 1.894 --- 5,81%
Black --- 423 --- 1,30%

Men --- 14.137 --- 43,36%
Women --- 18.464 --- 56,64%

Average income --- R$ 2.240,74

Household income*:
0 - 1/2 SM --- 14 --- 0,10%
1/2 - 1 SM --- 370 --- 2,73%
1 - 2 SM --- 981 --- 7,25%
2 - 5 SM --- 3.369 --- 24,88%
5 - 10 SM --- 4.025 --- 29,73%
10 - 20 SM --- 2.849 --- 21,04%
+ 20 SM --- 1.407 --- 10,39%

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*SM = month minimum wage, which was R$ 540.00 in 2010 (R$ 622.00 today)

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The white population also peaked in 1940 (which was the first census conducted in Londrina), with 86%.

The most unique feature about Londrina ethinc makeup is the huge Japanese population, which is likely underestimated by the census due the stupid and outdated term "yellow". Several sources states there are around 25,000 Japanese descendants in Londrina, making the city one of the largest Japanese communities in the world.

Among whites, Italians are the great majority.

^^ Interesting figures, I wonder how Algeria would compare, the change in ethnic composition post-independence might be similar to South Africa post-democracy I think.

One question, on what is the minimum wage based, I take it full time work, somebody working only 2 days per week might get less? Is full time 35, 39, 42 hours per week? Also is that gross or net of tax and other deductions?

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In Algeria it was much more dramatic: virtually all European (and descendants) left the country few months after the independece. In 1960, they were 1,100,000 out of 10,850,000. In 1910, they were 14% of population and 11% in 1950.

We also have Zimbabwe/Rhodesia with 270,000 whites out of 5,515,000 people in 1970. Proportionally, they peaked in 1950 with almost 6% of the population. Today, only few thousands (very brave) remain.

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About Brazil, 44 hours/week is the most allowed, but very feel people make such long hours. The standard is 40. About minimum wage, it's quite complicated. If you have a made working 4 hours a day, you still owe her the minimum wage. In addition, fewer and fewer people are working for the minimum as Brazil is pretty much under full-employment. Anyway, Brazil has today more than 46 million registered jobs with an average wage of R$ 1,900.00.

Salvador/BA


Mixed: 1.382.543(51,%)
Blacks: 743.718(27,7%)
Whites: 505.645(18,8%)
Asians: 35.785(1,3%)

Riachão do Jacuípe/BA


Mixed: 19.303(58,1%)
Whites: 9.100(27,4%)
Blacks: 4.404(13,2%)
Asians: 311(0,9%)


Queimadas/BA


Mixed: 16.505(67%)
Whites: 6.105(24,8%)
Blacks: 1.729(7%)
Asians: 200(0,8%)


Classification of cities by region:

Salvador: Reconcavo
Riachão do Jacuípe: Sertão of sisal
Queimadas: Upper Sertão

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There aren't any Asians in places like Riachão do Jacuípe and Queimadas. Also there aren't 35,000 Asians in Salvador. The thing is, mixed people, confused by the question "colour" call themselves "yellow". The only place "yellow" have some meaning is in São Paulo and northern Paraná state. For other parts, it should be ignored as the stats are all wrong.

That's why this term should be abandon for good. "Japanese/Asian" would be perfect.

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Liar!

There're asians in Bahia,the third largest asian comunity of Brazil:yes:
Japaneses in Salvador,Mata de São João,Juazeiro,Ponto Novo and etc.
Chineses in Salvador
Indians in Campo Formoso

Se ate em Espanta Gado tem um asiatico(mestiço de origem asiatica),como não existe no municipio de Queimadas?
A Bahia tem a terceira maior comunidade asiatica do Brasil,maior do que a do Paraná
A Bahia teve uma colonia japonesa em Mata de São João(RMS):
http://atarde.uol.com.br/cidades/noticia.jsf?id=902404
Temos uma associação cultural japonesa em Salvador:
http://anisa.com.br/
Eu mesmo ja estudei com descendente de japoneses,na UFBA eu sempre vejo alguns
E ja existe milhares de chineses no centro de Salvador
então n é nenhuma surpresa ter 35 mil

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More Asians in Bahia than Paraná? :lol::lol::lol: Source, please!

There's ZERO Japanese in Queimadas or Riachão or anywhere in Bahia's "sertão". And now do you want us to believe there are 300 of them in such a small city? Evidences, please. People say they're "yellow" in Northeast because they don't know what that means. Really, you and FAAN should stop to post bogus on the international forum.

And you studied with one Japanese in Salvador?!?!?! Darling, I can't walk two blocks (really) without seeing a Japanese. There are Japanese in Salvador: 200, maybe 300. But no way 35,000. And thousands of Chinese Downtown... :lol::lol::lol:

P.S. In 1950, there were 200,991 people who speak Japanese as first language in Brazil. In Bahia, they were 60; in São Paulo 170,701; in Paraná 26,032. On the same year, there were 139,192 Japanese-born people. 70 in Bahia, 108,912 in São Paulo and 15,393 in Paraná. But let's pretend Bahia has the third largest community in Brazil...

Yuri S Andrade said:

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More Asians in Bahia than Paraná? :lol::lol::lol: Source, please!

There's ZERO Japanese in Queimadas or Riachão or anywhere in Bahia's "sertão". And now do you want us to believe there are 300 of them in such a small city? Evidences, please. People say they're "yellow" in Northeast because they don't know what that means. Really, you and FAAN should stop to post bogus on the international forum.

And you studied with one Japanese in Salvador?!?!?! Darling, I can't walk two blocks (really) without seeing a Japanese. There are Japanese in Salvador: 200, maybe 300. But no way 35,000. And thousands of Chinese Downtown... :lol::lol::lol:

P.S. In 1950, there were 200,991 people who speak Japanese as first language in Brazil. In Bahia, they were 60; in São Paulo 170,701; in Paraná 26,032. On the same year, there were 139,192 Japanese-born people. 70 in Bahia, 108,912 in São Paulo and 15,393 in Paraná. But let's pretend Bahia has the third largest community in Brazil...

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Japanese brazilian from Espanta Gado
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001387610666&ref=ts

I know many japaneses from sertão,vc alguma vez ja esteve no sertão da Bahia?quais foram as cidades que vc conheceu?como vc tem tanta certeza que os dados do IBGE e meu conhecimento sobre o sertão estão erradas?vc tem como provar que o IBGE esta errado?não basta dizer,tem que provar!
Yuri,vc n conhece o sertão da Bahia mais do que eu,que morei la por anos,e vou todo ano lá


Asian population by States:

São Paulo: 558.354
Minas Gerais: 187.119
Bahia: 158.925
Paraná: 123.205

source: http://www.sidra.ibge.gov.br/cd/cd2010universo.asp?o=5&i=P

Vc citou dados de 1950,estamos em 2012,filho!acorda!:lol:

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Those are the numbers of "YELLOWS" and NOT "ASIANS". People in Northeast don't know what "yellow" means, that's why some of them identify themselves as "yellow". IBGE never used the word "Asian", so you're pretty much lying here. About 98% of Japanese Brazilians live in São Paulo or Paraná states.

But it's ok, live in your dreams: there are more Germans in Bahia than in Rio Grande do Sul, more Italians than São Paulo, more Japanese than Paraná... It's amazing how some people in Northeast wanna invent some alternate reality for their region. It's a very sad complex, one that you have shown several times in this forum.

P.S. Japanese immigration to Brazil pretty much ended by 1950. 60 Japanese in 1950 mean no more than 1,000 today. That's the number in Bahia state today. Don't play dummy.

P.P.S. Alberto Pereira is your Japanese! :lol::lol::lol: I have more Japanese amongst my very few Facebook friends that you can find in the whole the Northeast to post here. Really, stop embarassing yourself.

Yuri S Andrade said:

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Those are the numbers of "YELLOWS" and NOT "ASIANS". People in Northeast don't know what "yellow" means, that's why some of them identify themselves as "yellow". IBGE never used the word "Asian", so you're pretty much lying here. About 98% of Japanese Brazilians live in São Paulo or Paraná states.

But it's ok, live in your dreams: there are more Germans in Bahia than in Rio Grande do Sul, more Italians than São Paulo, more Japanese than Paraná... It's amazing how some people in Northeast wanna invent some alternate reality for their region. It's a very sad complex, one that you have shown several times in this forum.

P.S. Japanese immigration to Brazil pretty much ended by 1950. 60 Japanese in 1950 mean no more than 1,000 today. That's the number in Bahia state today. Don't play dummy.

P.P.S. Alberto Pereira is your Japanese! :lol::lol::lol: I have more Japanese amongst my very few Facebook friends that you can find in the whole the Northeast to post here. Really, stop embarassing yourself.

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1-Prove!
Why just the people in Northeast dont know what mean "yellow",and how you know about that?

2- you said "About 98% of Japanese Brazilians live in São Paulo or Paraná states."
the source is ....?

3- You said "There's ZERO Japanese in Queimadas"
Eu te mostrei um japones de Espanta Gado(um dos distritos de Queimadas),isso prova que vc esta errado

PS: Todos sabem que no IBGE,o termo "amarelo" corresponde aos asiaticos,e e segundo o IBGE existe mais amarelos na Bahia que no Paraná!
Vc que não consegue mostrar em seu post,algo que mostre o contrario,vc n cita nenhuma fonte(ao contrario de mim)
A colonia japonesa da Bahia,iniciou no final da decada de 50 e japoneses chegaram nela ate 62,e posteriormente mais japoneses e descedentes de japoneses chegaram para a Bahia(vindos do Japão ou de outras regiões do país)
e claro,os chineses...que são significativos em Salvador


- Liar!believe me Yuri,you're just stretching the truth!

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--- First of all, Portuguese is not the language of this forum;

--- Secondly, I don't want you to show me one Japanese (who isn't a real Japanese) from this city, but 300 of them;

--- IBGE knows yellows are Asian but how many people in Bahia knows? I bet 99% doesn't know "yellow" means "Asian". There's no evidence Japanese community in Bahia is much larger than a couple of thousands of individuals. And now you want to believe there are 157,000 of them? You don't even understand what this number means. Japanese people in each one of more than 400 Bahia's municipalities? Give us a break;

--- But keep fantasizing! There are more Japanese in Salvador than in Londrina (maybe more Italians than São Paulo, or Germans than Porto Alegre, or Polish than Curitiba...) :lol: I (and the entire Brazilian forum) know you have a very strong complex about it...

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Where are your source,Yuri?or maybe your source is you,yourself and your own mind:lol:

PS: Sim,a lingua do forum é o inglês,mas pode se escrever em 2 linguas,se uma delas for o inglês,não atoa nenhum post meu nunca foi apagado,embora seja costume eu escrever sempre partes em ingles:cheers:

If you don't like sources,no problem cus a I like:cheers:
sources about asians in state of Bahia:

Os japoneses da Bahia(livro)/The japaneses of Bahia(book)
Leila Maekawa(japanese brazilian from Bahia)

http://www.odebrecht.com/node/293

Japoneses e Israelenses no Vale do São Francisco/Japaneses and Israeli in San Francisco Valley
"Imigrantes que vieram do Japão e de Israel, atualmente produzem com sucesso manga para exportação"
"O Vale do São Francisco possui mais de 120 famílias japonesas"
http://www.abanorte.com.br/noticias...ntes-produzem-manga-no-vale-do-sao-francisco/

About japaneses in Western Bahia:
"Caso, por exemplo, dos investidores
japoneses que implantaram por todo o cerrado, em ação conjunta com o governo federal
o Programa de Cooperação Nipo-Brasileira para Desenvolvimento dos Cerrados
(PRODECER)[...]a este damos maior destaque pois suas ações foram direcionadas às terras da Região
Oeste da Bahia, além de Minas Gerais, Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul e Goiás."
http://www.ppgau.ufba.br/urba11/ST1_A_REESTRUTURACAO_PRODUTIVA_AGROPECUARIA.pdf


Colonia japonesa no sul da Bahia/Japanese colony in southern Bahia

Em breve associação chinesa em Salvador/Soon chinese association in Salvador
http://www.gostodeler.com.br/materia/13146/associacao_chinesa_da_bahia_sera_lancada_em_salvador.html

E se vai existir uma associação chinesa em Salvador,é pq existe uma comunidade de chineses aqui!


Kan Chuch("chinese bahian")

http://www.bahiaja.com.br/noticia.php?idNoticia=42242

Juca fala sobre os chineses no centro de Salvador(esta vendo que a impressão n é so minha,realmente esta cheio de chineses no centro de Salvador)/Juca talk about chineses in Salvador


Este é um presente especial para vc,uma dissertação de mestrado em Geografia,feita por Antonia Eloisa Brasil da UFBA,sobre o nucleo colonial JK em Mata de São João/Camaçari

http://www.4shared.com/office/fzdNBNVH/Dissertacao__Nucleo_JK_BA.html


Ok,eu te mostrarei os milhares de japoneses do sertão,basta vc vim aqui em Salvador,que eu te levo para um passeio,mostrando os japoneses que vivem no sertão:yes:

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120 families mean 157,000 people!?!?!? As I said, there are no more than a couple of thousand of Japanese in the state. If you pay attention, your last post is backing MY arguments, not yours.

FACT: 99% of people in Bahia doesn't know "yellow" means "Asian". Therefore, you cannot expect the 157,000 people declaring they're "yellow" are actually Japanese. They are misinformed "brown". I don't care if there is one or two Japanese in Sertão. What matters is: there are no more than a couple of thousands of Japanese in Bahia, NOT 157,000.

While IBGE keep using this "yellow" nonsense, only São Paulo and northern Paraná will present reliable sources for Asians.

P.S. Income for "races" in Bahia, São Paulo and Paraná states:

Bahia
Total --- R$ 477,91
White --- R$ 733,52
Black --- R$ 408,64
Yellow --- R$ 471,97
Brown --- R$ 404,18

São Paulo
Total --- R$ 986,23
White --- R$ 1.172,18
Black --- R$ 692,48
Yellow --- R$ 1.741,12
Brown --- R$ 595,32

Paraná
Total --- R$ 851,69
White --- R$ 959,79
Black --- R$ 653,58
Yellow --- R$ 1.345,33
Brown --- R$ 555,62

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As you can see, clearly all people calling themselves "yellow" in Bahia are actually "brown". Look the pattern. The 1,000-2,000 Japanese living in Bahia certainly have a higher income than the hundreds of thousands living in São Paulo and Paraná, as there are many many poor Japanese down here.

I expect now you drop your nonsense and stop posting those misleading numbers. "Yellow", outside SP and PR, is NOT Asian.

P.P.S. And before you keep fantasizing about Chinese in Salvador, according to the Census there are only 13,000 foreigners residing in Bahia (most of them probably Europeans), as opposed to 267,000 in São Paulo and 50,000 in Paraná.