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I know technically the Brisbane City Council boundary is bigger than the Sydney City Council boundary but who is bigger when it comes to the greater areas?


When I looked at both city's using HERE WeGo maps at a zoom level of 5km, Sydney looks massive compared to Brisbane.
 
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People always say the greater Brisbane area is bigger than the greater Sydney area and I was wondering why people say that.

I'm not talking about population but rather who has the largest the sprawl size?
 
Australian Bureau of Statistics has the Brisbane GCCSA at 15,842 km2 compared to Sydney at 12,367.7 km2.

But that's how the ABS sees it. I don't really agree with half of the Lockyer Valley LGA being included as part of greater Brisbane. I'd draw the line at the western edge of the Ipswich LGA.
 
Australian Bureau of Statistics has the Brisbane GCCSA at 15,842 km2 compared to Sydney at 12,367.7 km2.

But that's how the ABS sees it. I don't really agree with half of the Lockyer Valley LGA being included as part of greater Brisbane. I'd draw the line at the western edge of the Ipswich LGA.
Yes, the ABS definitions of our greater metropolitan areas are very generous, and particularly so in the case of Greater Brisbane. According to the ABS, Greater Brisbane extends up into parts of the South Burnet region and includes farming communities over 180km by road from the city. Places where the people don't work in Brisbane, don't consider themselves to live in Brisbane, and who have no connection with Brisbane other than it being their state capital.
 
All these GCCSA are somewhat misleading when trying to accurately establish area - they are more an ABS attempt to reflect a 'catchment area' of sorts. Mind you, Brisbane's GCCSA is so far out of town it almost includes Kingaroy! :nuts:

You cannot compare the Brisbane CC with SYD or MELB's either. The BCC represents an area incorporating the majority of the BRIS population, whereas MELB and SYD both have over 30 councils spread across their metropolitan zones.
 
Yes, the ABS definitions of our greater metropolitan areas are very generous, and particularly so in the case of Greater Brisbane. According to the ABS, Greater Brisbane extends up into parts of the South Burnet region and includes farming communities over 180km by road from the city. Places where the people don't work in Brisbane, don't consider themselves to live in Brisbane, and who have no connection with Brisbane other than it being their state capital.
And yet areas where there are a lot of commuters to Brisbane, i.e. Ormeau, Pimpama, Caloundra South etc. they are not included in the metropolitan area, because they're grouped with Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast populations.

Really the sprawl area it is not just metropolitan Brisbane, it is metropolitan SEQ, including the Gold Coast (and Tweed Heads) and Sunshine Coast. The population of this overall area is around 3.5 million.

I'm still unsure why Brisbane and the Gold Coast are not considered one urban area, since there is no break in the urban development between the two.
 
And yet areas where there are a lot of commuters to Brisbane, i.e. Ormeau, Pimpama, Caloundra South etc. they are not included in the metropolitan area, because they're grouped with Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast populations.

Really the sprawl area it is not just metropolitan Brisbane, it is metropolitan SEQ, including the Gold Coast (and Tweed Heads) and Sunshine Coast. The population of this overall area is around 3.5 million.

I'm still unsure why Brisbane and the Gold Coast are not considered one urban area, since there is no break in the urban development between the two.
True, the ABS boundaries of 'Greater Brisbane' are generous in some ways but seem quite restrictive in others. Perhaps the boundaries are better described as arbitrary rather than generous.
 
The ABS does calculate the actual urban area of each city in Australia and uses the term Significant Urban Areas.

From the 2016 Census:

Melbourne: 6189 sq kms, population 4,323,072
Brisbane: 5326 sq kms, Population 2,192,720
Sydney: 4196 sq kms, population 4,446,805
Not much of a population difference between Melb and Syd according to those figures.
 
And yet areas where there are a lot of commuters to Brisbane, i.e. Ormeau, Pimpama, Caloundra South etc. they are not included in the metropolitan area, because they're grouped with Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast populations.

Really the sprawl area it is not just metropolitan Brisbane, it is metropolitan SEQ, including the Gold Coast (and Tweed Heads) and Sunshine Coast. The population of this overall area is around 3.5 million.

I'm still unsure why Brisbane and the Gold Coast are not considered one urban area, since there is no break in the urban development between the two.
Isn't Boston down to Washington, which includes New York, Philadelphia and Baltimore a continuous urban sprawl?

There is no break between Liverpool and Manchester either.

A lot of area between Brissie and Gold Coast is far more sparsely populated than the examples above.
 
Isn't Boston down to Washington, which includes New York, Philadelphia and Baltimore a continuous urban sprawl?

There is no break between Liverpool and Manchester either.

A lot of area between Brissie and Gold Coast is far more sparsely populated than the examples above.
Here is an image of the interface between the Brisbane and Gold Coast urban areas, with the boundary drawn in a red line:

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The ABS have a lot of different ways of measuring population!

The actual built up urbanised area of cities are defined as 'urban centres'. So here are teh 'urban centre' areas and populations:

Melbourne: 2705.4 sq Kms, population 4,196,198
Sydney: 2179.1 sq Kms, population 4,321,535
Brisbane: 2003.9 sq Kms, population 2,054,614
Gold Coast: 580 sq Kms, population 540,559

Brisbane and the Gold Coast are adjacent, but even combined they are a bit smaller than Sydney in area.

Using the urban centres definition Melbourne and Geelong are not adjacent and neither are Sydney, the central coast and Woolongong.
 
The ABS have a lot of different ways of measuring population!

The actual built up urbanised area of cities are defined as 'urban centres'. So here are teh 'urban centre' areas and populations:

Melbourne: 2705.4 sq Kms, population 4,196,198
Sydney: 2179.1 sq Kms, population 4,321,535
Brisbane: 2003.9 sq Kms, population 2,054,614
Gold Coast: 580 sq Kms, population 540,559

Brisbane and the Gold Coast are adjacent, but even combined they are a bit smaller than Sydney in area.
Not if the stats you posted above are correct.

According to those stats, Sydney's urbanised area = 2179.1 square kilometres; Brisbane's (2003.9 square kilometres) + the Gold Coast's (580 square kilometres) = 2583.9 square kilometres.

Or am I missing something?
 
Not if the stats you posted above are correct.

According to those stats, Sydney's urbanised area = 2179.1 square kilometres; Brisbane's (2003.9 square kilometres) + the Gold Coast's (580 square kilometres) = 2583.9 square kilometres.

Or am I missing something?
You are correct! I meant they would still be a bit smaller than Melbourne.
 
hard to believe melb is larger then sydny in urbanised area? what does that mean?
if you expand 20-30km from melb cbd you have bush, in sydney we have parramatta and other built up areas, very urbanised.
it is set up differently melb
i look t nearmao imagery
and see where urban areas stop. it gets hard
werribee at west,(25km west) craigiburn north,(30km) clyde to south/east (50km)

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60km west of sydney penrith large city
22km south to cronulla sutho shire. quite a large city
30km north to palm beach end of sydney.
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