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#101 ·
bostar said:
For such a wealthy company you think they could have insisted on something a bit more architecturely imaginative, what a shame even what went before was interesting for its time this is just plain boring.
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One might suggest that a wealthy company stays wealthy not by unnecessarily knocking down perfectly fine, if ugly buildings, but refurbishing them like this. They did exactly that with the old Sun Microsystems campus in Menlo Park, CA. Only when they had to expand did they get in Frank Gehry.
 
#103 ·
Tech firms quite clearly spend a fortune on their offices, they are famed for this. The idea that they scrimp on them is bizarre.

Maybe they don't always go for what's architecturally "significant" on the outside and that might be a pity but we are a long way from the Wrigley Building or Tribune Tower in Chicago with companies tying themselves to buildings. It's campuses at best now and I would imagine this will be very nice and pleasant when built. You can be someone like a Michael Ovitz in CAA in LA getting IM Pei to design the company headquarters but the reality is that you might outgrow it like they did barely 10 years after it was built.
 
#105 ·
Jay Jay Okocha said:
Tech firms quite clearly spend a fortune on their offices, they are famed for this. The idea that they scrimp on them is bizarre.

Maybe they don't always go for what's architecturally "significant" on the outside and that might be a pity but we are a long way from the Wrigley Building or Tribune Tower in Chicago with companies tying themselves to buildings. It's campuses at best now and I would imagine this will be very nice and pleasant when built. You can be someone like a Michael Ovitz in CAA in LA getting IM Pei to design the company headquarters but the reality is that you might outgrow it like they did barely 10 years after it was built.
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Still it would be better to outgrow a building and leave something architecturely significant behind for another company to occupy than foist one more bland office block on the enviroment.
 
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Meta pausing their plans to fit out the old AIB Bankcentre as it re-evaluates its global real estate requirements. I'm sure Ronan will not be happy with this.
 
#109 ·
DisputedUserName said:
I wonder if this is a sideways response to the Irish Data regulator's recent ruling...
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Most likely a factor of them having a huge percentage of their Dublin workforce composed of EU citizens who didn't especially want to move to Dublin for their jobs, but had to, and likely now no longer have to. Combined with the company at large going through a rough time and having a fraction of the cash they used to.
 
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Ongarboy said:
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Meta pausing their plans to fit out the old AIB Bankcentre as it re-evaluates its global real estate requirements. I'm sure Ronan will not be happy with this.
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I suspect the landlords will get their rent either way. DCC will miss out on some lucrative rates though.
 
#112 ·
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Meta pausing their plans to fit out the old AIB Bankcentre as it re-evaluates its global real estate requirements. I'm sure Ronan will not be happy with this.
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Didn't Ronan spec out the place with air bridges for them? They had some requests i remember, additional floor.

I love Ronans work effort, that man just needs a market so this aint good news in general for this or his other projects.
 
#113 · (Edited)
YIMBYDublin said:
Most likely a factor of them having a huge percentage of their Dublin workforce composed of EU citizens who didn't especially want to move to Dublin for their jobs, but had to, and likely now no longer have to. Combined with the company at large going through a rough time and having a fraction of the cash they used to.
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This take is crazy.

Their is a huge influx of people working in Dublin & Ireland in all sectors and companies, not just Meta. One of the reasons Tech companies are here is the skilled work force here. Meta could double their size here tomorrow.

Put it this way if Meta could not get the workforce to move office... they would move country!
 
#114 ·
Most tech companies are on hiring freezes right now and lots of start ups are running out of money (there is very little investor money out there right now) so there will be plenty of talent around for google and tik tok to hoover up in the next 12 months.
 
#116 ·
properplanning said:
Their is a huge influx of people working in Dublin & Ireland in all sectors and companies, not just Meta. One of the reasons Tech companies are here is the skilled work force here. Meta could double their size here tomorrow.

Put it this way if Meta could not get the workforce to move office... they would move country!
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I'm not sure how this contradicts what I said — Meta would have had absolutely no problem drawing people to move to Dublin to work for them in the past, but the attitude towards remote work has drastically changed across the entire tech industry in the last 2 years. And I mean that both in terms of the people looking for employment AND the companies themselves. You can read more about Meta's official policy here:

Working remotely from another country: For people interested in relocating across borders, Meta is expanding remote work across international borders gradually. [...] In January 2022, employees will have the opportunity to permanently move between seven more countries in EMEA where Meta has the highest employee demand and is able to operate.
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#118 ·
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YIMBYDublin said:
I'm not sure how this contradicts what I said — Meta would have had absolutely no problem drawing people to move to Dublin to work for them in the past, but the attitude towards remote work has drastically changed across the entire tech industry in the last 2 years. And I mean that both in terms of the people looking for employment AND the companies themselves. You can read more about Meta's official policy here:
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Ok this new work from home policy i can understand what you mean now. I didnt undersand why you said eu citizens were leaving Ireland. But that would apply for all though, not just "eu citizens" or you probably meant basically foreigners. I would expect most people to be in the office for some days most weeks. I would doubt they would send you to Spain to work from home.

Either way I do think they will take the new office eventually because its essentially their new Meta Death Star.
 
#119 ·
properplanning said:
Ok this new work from home policy i can understand what you mean now. I didnt undersand why you said eu citizens were leaving Ireland. But that would apply for all though, not just "eu citizens" or you probably meant basically foreigners. I would expect most people to be in the office for some days most weeks. I would doubt they would send you to Spain to work from home.
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Well because of Meta having different headquarters for AMER and APAC regions, the Dublin HQ does tend to mostly be EU citizens, because most of the Dublin employees are in roles that support EU countries. There will be Middle East and Africa support too, to a smaller extent.

And what I'm saying is that this works from both ends — the employer (Meta) is happy to not have such a large real estate overhead if they can support remote work.
From the employee side, this is anecdotal, but the majority of non-Irish employees in these tech companies that I've spoken to have tended to come to Dublin in the past because they were required to for the job. Now that they are no longer required to, I think the numbers will drop significantly. Particularly if they can stay at home, for example, which Meta seems to officially support in their policies.

Other companies will be different, and even different teams within Meta will be different (some managers are very much of the "If I can't see you, you aren't working" attitude sadly), but it seems pretty certain at this point that Remote Work isn't a temporary thing.

Actually we need a better term than "Remote" work, because that implies you sit at home, when realistically a lot of these companies are supporting employees with WeWork desks or space in local offices — maybe 'distributed work'.
 
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