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Despite not a particularly new project, I noticed this major shopping centre doesn't have a thread! So what do we think of the White Rose Centre? If you ask me, its a really good shopping centre, but I think it would really benefit from expansion, but not so much it would make Leeds City Centre look not as good. Much better integration to the transport network is needed...

Our business is really blooming
White Rose leads way
THE growth of the White Rose shopping centre on the outskirts of Leeds has given a boost to owner Land Securities.
Land Securities' Yorkshire and the Humber property portfolio is now valued in excess of £550m following its acquisition in June of Leeds-based Tops Estates.
And White Rose, its flagship in Leeds, has outperformed the market with 16 per cent growth during the half year to September 30 - the period covered by the company's interim results.
Land Securities' regional director, Gerald Jennings, said the asset value of White Rose had grown through a combination of increased rentals, yield improvement and development activity.
"The reconfiguration of Sainsbury's created 72,000 sq ft of prime space that has enabled Next and River Island to more than double their floorspace at White Rose and see Zara and Schuh as new entrants."
In Harrogate, where the Victoria Shopping Centre came into the Land Securities portfolio following the Tops deal, there has been a £1m programme of investment to enable the expansion of TK Maxx and development of a new Mothercare store. York's Coppergate Centre has seen the arrival of Topshop and Topman in a 38,000 sq ft unit formerly occupied by Allders.
Development
In addition to its growing retail interests in Yorkshire and Humber, Land Securities – along with Crosby Homes (Yorkshire) and the Leeds-based Evans Property Group - is a partner in the Hungate (York) Regeneration joint venture that has been given the green light for a £150m housing led, mixed-use development in York.
The company's regional portfolio now also includes The Plaza Shopping Centre in Leeds, and the Leeds-based regional team headed by Mr Jennings has grown to 11, with further staff due to join in the New Year.
For the six months to September 30, pre-tax profits across the business as a whole rose 89.2pc to £1,184.4m, compared with £625.9m at the same stage last year, including gains on disposal of assets and revaluation surpluses. Revenue profit increased by 16.1pc to £218.5m from £188.2m.
The company has declared an interim dividend of 18.15p, up 74.5pc on last year's 10.40p, which it said reflected both underlying growth of five per cent and the board's decision to pay a greater proportion of the dividend at the interim stage
The group's retail portfolio now includes 28 shopping centres, 32 retail warehouses and 11 supermarkets, with a development pipeline including six town centre schemes totalling 330,110 sq m
Land Securities said it had made strong progress in its London portfolio to ensure it benefited fully from market recovery - demonstrated in part by the acquisition of seven properties totalling £343m
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
Well I like it because:
-Its got good, consistent shops (not shops that are always closing, opening, and loads of empty units and rubbish shops)
-It has a decent amount of shops, although not so big it takes pride away from the city centre
-It has a food court and is good just to service the area with Sainsbury's.
-It has a good atmosphere, particularly at Christmas (some I find are too large, a bit old and not much to them other than shops)
-Late Night shopping, and an alternative to the city centre especially on cold, winter days when its Christmas shopping

On the other hand I dont like it because
-Its not terribly accesible other than by car
-It could do with some expansion to accomodate more shops even though I prefer a smaller centre of better qaulity
-I don't think the upper levels are used as well as they could.
 
Leeds No.1 said:
Well I like it because:
-Its got good, consistent shops (not shops that are always closing, opening, and loads of empty units and rubbish shops)
-It has a decent amount of shops, although not so big it takes pride away from the city centre
-It has a food court and is good just to service the area with Sainsbury's.
-It has a good atmosphere, particularly at Christmas (some I find are too large, a bit old and not much to them other than shops)
-Late Night shopping, and an alternative to the city centre especially on cold, winter days when its Christmas shopping

On the other hand I dont like it because
-Its not terribly accesible other than by car
-It could do with some expansion to accomodate more shops even though I prefer a smaller centre of better qaulity
-I don't think the upper levels are used as well as they could.
No1, just when I think you've lost the capacity to surprise you blow me away again! :)
The shops are at best basic and functional but there is nothing that you would specifically visit. The Food Court is horrible, it just serves cheap and nasty junk food and the atmosphere is generally really depressing. It's an awful building to look at and I hope they never expand it. The only redeeming feature it has is that it's open until 10 every night.

In all seriousness, you are the first person I've ever heard saying anything posititve about it. I work next door, for me it just provides traffic to battle through every day!
 
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Yeh well thats a point I made, too much traffic, not enough integration. Whats so bad about it? I would rather go to the city centre but the shops arent bad. Whats so bad about its look, no-one complains about all the other uglier buildings. If you can point out how it could be improved then OK, and then why not tell them that but if not then... The food court could be improved- a Pret would be good! I go to Pret when Im in the city usually. Its best at Christmas- other than the overcrowding I think most places are performing best during the run up to Christmas and the height of summer. (Although rhythms of the city lacked this year)
 
When I first visited White Rose I was surprised to find that it was reasonably smart inside- in terms of the fittings and facades. I've seen far, far worse in British shopping malls. It's basically just a smaller version of Sheffield's Meadowhall.- which serves its purpose as a cheesey, chain store shopping mecca.

I have to admit, I detest indoor shopping centres. The shops are all the same chain stores you get every where else. There is also a higher than average rate of chavsters there- although not as many as people make out (-although I have only ever been there after 6pm.)

On the outside it looks crap- but then again, 90s cheap, retail build is better than 60s/70s comparisons. The place is better than some of the malls in town- e.g. Merrion Centre and whatever the other one is called.

The place serves its purpose well enough. Although if I worked near it like Oil I'd probably want to blow the place up.
 
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All the other similar style out of town centres are worse (IMO), but most city centre shopping centres Im not a fan of. Some are OK- VQ, The Light, CornX. St Johns has improved on the inside but the outside could do with modernisation. Its very similar to one of the shopping centres in Aberdeen.
 
I went there today, couldn't be bothered with the parking hastle of Leeds city centre. I don't mind it really, infact I think the centre's management have made some great improvements over the last couple of years. I'm glad they didn't build it any larger than it is. I think if they'd built it any larger, it would only be at the expence of the city centre.
 
Leeds No.1 said:
Yeh well thats a point I made, too much traffic, not enough integration. Whats so bad about it? I would rather go to the city centre but the shops arent bad. Whats so bad about its look, no-one complains about all the other uglier buildings. If you can point out how it could be improved then OK, and then why not tell them that but if not then... The food court could be improved- a Pret would be good! I go to Pret when Im in the city usually. Its best at Christmas- other than the overcrowding I think most places are performing best during the run up to Christmas and the height of summer. (Although rhythms of the city lacked this year)
It's just such a boring, bland, unimaginative place that provides nothing in the way of enjoyment. Look at The Corn Exchange. Now, I'm not comparing the two because I realise they are aimed at completely different markets but when I go into the Corn Ex I feel uplifted in a way. I'm never feel in a rush, I'm constantly curious about what the next shop along is selling, I love the look of the building and it works for me on every level.

When I go into the White Rose it's full of dawdlers walking along the narrow walkways between those stalls selling cheap tat so you end up going at 1mph. I look at the shops and I think "Debenhams (sigh), Fosters (sigh), Blakes (sigh), Woolworths (sigh), 10 generic cheap sports shops (sigh), Next (sigh), H Samuels (sigh), Clintons (sigh), Argos (sigh), HMV (Woo hoo!! Oh no, sigh, it's tiny and stocks the top 50 only), WH smiths (sigh)" etc etc etc.

Sometimes I'll go to the Food Court and I'm faced with a choice of McDonalds, Greggs, Ainsleys, Fish And Chips, Chinese, SpuduLike, Subway, Pizza Hut, KFC (collective sigh!!) etc etc etc!!!

It's The White Rose Centre No1, it's crap. Now if you started a thread on The Corn Exchange I'd understand but I just don't get this! :)
 
The oil has a good point, aswell as detesting the concept, the shops there are awful aswell, Wakefield has better shopping, and at least an ounce of charchter.

The new H&M is the only half descent shop, and the food court is just the usual run off of nasty fast food resteraunts. At least Meadowhall has a few nice resteraunts and a rather large area of independant stores.
 
Leeds No.1 said:
I only really made it for the article.
Well then why don't we start a thread for the CornX, or maybe better for all of the Leeds shopping centres.
No Leeds No.1 I feel there is enough goin' on down there to warrent a thread, after all there is more to the White Rose Centre than just shops, isn't the business park there known as White Rose?

What about changing the thread name to just 'White Rose'?
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
I didn't know there was a new H&M there. I knew about Zara and Schuh though. I'll do it later but now I g2g fundraising :) Yes the business park is called White Rose. Thats another thing- things like this improve the area and give it a bit of a hub and a commercial boost, similar to the effect of the airport for example.
 
Wetherby Whites said:
The White Trash Centre has its uses, ie:quick shopping trip when you know what you want, but I think it typifies Leeds' transport image perfectly.
Built next to a railway and NO BLOODY STATION!

Such forward thinking.
I've never been to the White Rose Centre and therefore shouldn't comment on something I've little knowledge of. That said, shopping centres are in general absolute holes. As has been pointed out, keeps the scallies away from town, then all the best. The shopping centre attached to Salford Quays and the Lowry despite being in spitting distance of the NV buildings and the Liebeskind designed Imperial War Museum is a similar fright show of white tiling, glass and basement shops. Horrible.

Add to that, anything titled a 'food court' is destined to be cheap, bland crap made by the same people in identikit themed booths advertising a taste of asia or india. Makes me cringe thinking about eating in the food court in the Headrow centre many years ago. At that time (early 90s) it was probably quite unique to get so much variety in one place. However, as with most new concepts, it quickly becomes dated.

Nice view of WRC from the London GNER train, notifies me I'm two minutes from seeing the city lit up and BWP soaring. Huzzah!
 
I'm sorry but am I missing something here? I thought the idea of starting a new thread was to give people the chance to learn about something new. But, as you rightly point out, LN1, in your introductory post, this is not a particularly new project. Nor are there any proposals to develop the White Rose Centre.

As you also point out, in a post on another Leeds thread, you're in the habit of posting before you've thought things through. Is there a lesson for you here, do you think?
 
aviator said:
I'm sorry but am I missing something here? I thought the idea of starting a new thread was to give people the chance to learn about something new. But, as you rightly point out, LN1, in your introductory post, this is not a particularly new project. Nor are there any proposals to develop the White Rose Centre.

As you also point out, in a post on another Leeds thread, you're in the habit of posting before you've thought things through. Is there a lesson for you here, do you think?
Harsh words there Aviator. There is a business park under construction there, so I don't think its unreasonable to have a thread for it. This is for the Leeds Metro Area is it not.
 
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