[Silver lass]

It doesn’t take much effort to scan the whole forum. Well I routinely do it all the time. I read the majority of topics even the ones I don't contribute to. Maybe not so much transport or sports related ones but I still glance through them.
I always keep up with construction threads even though I don't add to them.
I think there's a good mix of topics, something for everyone.

 

[Huge Erection]

A step in the right direction, in my opinion. (See my previous post in this thread: #1,041).

A clear demarcation between 'developments' and 'non-developments' should be the order of the day.

This is a website primarily dedicated to the development of the built environment, and it should take precedence over all else.

 

[scouse1980]

One of the most common complaints made right across the forum is that Liverpool doesn't do enough to raise awareness of its development opportunities. That it is lagging behind other major cities, that it does not focus enough on the important stalled projects. I believe this site's purpose is primarily to discuss such things.

I sincerely believe Liverpool needs more discussion and a higher profile for its proposed development projects. In the same way that the Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds forum have. Three of those cities are laser focused on building in a way that I can only dream that Liverpool was.

In any case, the main page of Liverpool's forum is very full and clogged. It is over 40 pages long vs around a dozen in the cities mentioned above. A discussion on page 2 or 3 of the main projects and construction forum amounts to the same visibility of being in the Beacon. Older discussions would even be brought forward by being in the Beacon by being along side similar (non development discussions).

In any case, the site makes plenty of provision by notifying subscribers and followers of threads that they have contributed to and take an interest in.

 

[Cardenio123]

A step in the right direction, in my opinion. (See my previous post in this thread: #1,041).

A clear demarcation between 'developments' and 'non-developments' should be the order of the day.

This is a website primarily dedicated to the development of the built environment, and it should take precedence over all else.

I agree this is primarily a development forum of the built environment but there's no reason why other threads can't exist side by side these type of discussions afterall Liverpool has a great cultural offer to showcase. If any thread should be moved it's the entirely negative political thread.

 

[scouse1980]

I think that misses the point of having a Skybar. The alternative would be to abolish it completely as it has already began the process of separation.

 

[scouse1980]

I think this is 'faux controversy'. Clearly, greater organisation within the city forums is just a common sense goal. It works across the whole of Skyscraper City to have dedicated sub forums for similar topic related threads. If that structure didn't exist, the forums would be entirely chaotic, cluttered and difficult to navigate.

I think the argument that one extra click in to a sub forum could cause a great inconvenience to any contributor doesn't hold water.

It doesn't hold water because there is already separation between the live construction projects, transport and completed projects. Forummers are already well versed with navigating in to separate subsections.

Not to mention that there are over 40 pages on projects and construction, each of which would need to be separately clicked by those who haven't already subscribed. Which amounts to the same 'effort' as entering a sub forum.

The argument that it would cause any great inconvenience makes no logical sense.

 

[Cardenio123]

But cities are so much more than bricks and mortar, ideas are the conduit through which cultural capital is exchanged and that acts as a catalyst for regeneration and positivity as we saw with 08 and Eurovision.

On the culture thread I've always been motivated by my will to show that Liverpool is a sophisticated place and not a run down provincial backwater which was the general impression when I was growing up. So it's essential that outsiders see this perception of the city which does so much to alter attitudes.

 

[scouse1980]

Then it can be pinned or kept in place a la Manchester. I obviously support that motivation anyway and I don't think it's at risk.

But the city faces a real life issue of bringing in to focus the development opportunities. Another alternative would be just to create a small subforum for the proposed projects. But that wouldn't follow the convention of SSC.

But I think it is overcomplicating things by referring to 'hierarchy' or an 'inconvenience'.

If that's the case have absolutely everything on the same page and have no subforums whatsoever.

 

[Silver lass]

But cities are so much more than bricks and mortar, ideas are the conduit through which cultural capital is exchanged and that acts as a catalyst for regeneration and positivity as we saw with 08 and Eurovision.

On the culture thread I've always been motivated by my will to show that Liverpool is a sophisticated place and not a run down provincial backwater which was the general impression when I was growing up. So it's essential that outsiders see this perception of the city which does so much to alter attitudes.

I do agree with this.

 

[scouse1980]

So do I but it negates the need for any organisation at all. I would interpret this message as a retention of the status quo. In which case I would argue that the forum isn't working as well as it could. I am not the only one to say it and there is no wonder why the Beacon is overlooked. At the moment, it is rather under used.

 

[Silver lass]

I don't know why the Beacon is largely ignored. 🤔 I always check out every part of the forum.

 

[scouse1980]

I haven't raised a discussion about what cities are and what makes them what they are, but clearly there is a difference between the built environment, standalone bricks and mortar live projects, completed projects, proposed projects, transport and general discussions. I don't see the relevance in having a discussion about what constitutes cities. That isn't helpful to forum structure as far as I can see. That alone could take all day, even longer.

 

[scouse1980]

I don't know why the Beacon is largely ignored. 🤔 I always check out every part of the forum.

Simple answer is there are 42 pages worth of threads on the projects and construction forum. Most of which have no relevance to standalone proposed bricks and mortar projects and I would argue would be better suited to The Beacon.

 

[scouse1980]

A step in the right direction, in my opinion. (See my previous post in this thread: #1,041).

A clear demarcation between 'developments' and 'non-developments' should be the order of the day.

This is a website primarily dedicated to the development of the built environment, and it should take precedence over all else.

Thank you HE. Clearly, you appreciate the logic.

 

[scouse1980]

The Beacon needs to be resurrected. There is no reason why it should be less used than the Transport forum, and separating the discussion of culture and society from building and construction should make it easier for users to locate threads of interest to them.

Thank you Howie.

 

[Huge Erection]

Thank you HE. Clearly, you appreciate the logic.

Well, the website is called 'SKYSCRAPERCITY.com' and the sub-forum is labelled, 'Liverpool - PROJECTS AND CONSTRUCTION'. It's pretty obvious to me what the focus should be.

It's the reason I joined as a member; and it most certainly wasn't because of Liverpool's "Poetry and Prose" or "Graffiti/tags".

 

[Cardenio123]

Well I think the poetry and prose thread is very interesting, it was set up by a member who is sadly deceased - the Golden Vision, Tom, whose contribution dwarfed much of the chatter you get here now.

 

[Cardenio123]

IS it just poetry and graffiti that should be moved though? If we start discriminating about which threads are 'correct' for the forum it could lead to a lot of confusion, who should get to say whether a media thread should remain, a film and TV thread, the Anglican Cathedral, old images, climate change, coffee shops, the arena, business in Liverpool, pubs, clubs and bars, drone videos, restaurants, tourism etc. None of these debates relate directly to developments.

 

[Huge Erection]

IS it just poetry and graffiti that should be moved though? If we start discriminating about which threads are 'correct' for the forum it could lead to a lot of confusion, who should get to say whether a media thread should remain, a film and TV thread, the Anglican Cathedral, old images, climate change, coffee shops, the arena, business in Liverpool, pubs, clubs and bars, drone videos, restaurants, tourism etc. None of these debates relate directly to developments.

Exactly. So, if it doesn't relate to an actual proposed/approved development - that potentially involves some sort of construction/refurbishment - then it goes in the non-development "The Beacon" sub-forum.

 

[scouse1980]

I think this should be common sense.

Film and TV thread - not relevant to a proposed or live bricks and mortar project. More appropriate to The Beacon. Any bricks and mortar film and TV discussions need a dedicated thread.

Anglican Cathedral - related to the built urban environment, major landmark and architecture discussions. Retain in projects and construction.

Old images - not relevant to a proposed or live bricks and mortar project. More appropriate to The Beacon. Any bricks and mortar old images discussions need a dedicated thread.

Climate change - not relevant to a proposed or live bricks and mortar project. More appropriate to The Beacon. Any bricks and mortar climate change discussions need a dedicated thread.

Coffee shops - related to the built environment, new physical openings and architecture discussions. Retain in projects and construction.

The arena - which thread? Events = the Beacon. The physical arena structure itself = the relevant project sub forum.

Business in Liverpool - used mostly to discuss new business ventures/closed businesses. Stay where it is. Watch for off-topic.

Pubs, clubs and bars - related to the built environment, new physical ventures and architecture discussions. Retain in projects and construction.

Drone videos - not relevant to a proposed or live bricks and mortar project. More appropriate to The Beacon. Any bricks and mortar drone discussions need a dedicated thread.

Restaurants - related to the built environment, new physical ventures and architecture discussions. Retain in projects and construction.

Tourism - Often diverges in to general tourism discussions. Move to the Beacon.

I can assure the forum that I have made an extensive list, all of which I have thought about. This isn't rushed.

I would imagine that 99% of my proposal is not controversial. There might be a couple of exceptions and threads which could be deemed debatable. I also think it is quite flexible. The forum also provides everybody with the same facility to open their own new standalone threads specifically for bricks and mortar projects.