You're not the only one. But who expected otherwise from this government.

 

who's missing?

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-03/families-worried-about-tamils-on-reported-asylum-boat/5568192

 

many days ago, the media anounced that a boat carrying 153 asylum seekers was 300 km off Christmas Island. The Minister for Immigration, in his usual fashin, declined to comment ... allegedly he only gave announcements on "significant matters" ( as determined by him).

It's alleged that another boat approached Christmas Island; that refugees from India were transferred to the the Sri Lankan Navy; that the Sri Lankan Navy denied this ..

Habeas Corpus by and large doesn't apply for this scenario.

Refoulement is the issue here. You can't summarily interview someone and return them on that basis. We get to Godwin's Law very quickly discussing this issue, because to not process these people properly is an order of magnitude worse a human rights violation than to force an Afghan who traversed three countries already back one of the previous two.

 

I am disturbed but think we who are disturbed are unfortunately the minority. Others are in denial or think the end justifies the means. Sad, very sad.

 

It's amazing the amount of co-operation a seat at the security council can leverage.

Well worth the money spent to attain.

 

Look ...

I'm an old Guy. And I'm profoundly disturbed by this line that "we don't comment on "Operational Matters". Check it out ... over and over again ... the same crap ... "We won't let you know, because that might inform the 'People Smugglers'."

Well, it's bullshit. If whoever agreed to convey people from Indonesia to Australia, for a price, then so is the Manly Ferry.

People are entitled to seek refuge here- and arrive by what everr means they chose. Don't give me the crap that we are so concerned about people drowning at sea, that the current Government spins out ... total, utter, bullshit.

I'm an old Guy. It disturbs me greatly that the current Government- after a week or so- has yet to provide any statement at all regarding what has happened to the two boats alleged to be off Christmas Island.

Morrison- if you ask me- should be thrown out of the Ministry- and thrown out of Parliament- for Dereliction of Duty: as a Minister, to the Australian Public.

I've heard so many references to "Operational Matters" (which we "don't comment on"). What's an "Operational Matter"? Sorting through your Mail? Isn't actually everything the Government- and you or I- do, an "Operational Matter"?

Australia, you need to wake up ... everyone knows that boats were intercepted off Christmas Island, but a week later, no-one knows what happened to these people. Did Scott Morrison order them exterminated? You wouldn't know, because, the Government doesn't comment on "Operational Matters" ... and Morrison would certainly erradicate the evidence.

 

That's a matter of opinion old Guy.

10s of thousands of people go missing in this country each year and I don't hear you banging on about them.

Over a thousand people died at sea under the previous regime, if anything Morrison deserves a medal for preserving life.

Why are you not repulsed by a 1000 deaths under a different government?

You don't need to know "operational matter", because you aren't an employee, the government does not have to run everything past you first.

If you don't like it, you can vote against them at the next election, but you know what the number 1 item they will pride them selves on, we stopped the boats.

I don't understand why you don't get it, they told us what they were going to do before they came into power "stop the boats".

Guess what, that's what they are doing.

The only one here that needs to wake up is you.

 

In all honesty most people don't care because well... they don't care.

I personally don't give a shit about my elderly Grandmother, so why should I care about a bunch of foreigners?

 

If your alive you know where you are...so your only missing if someone else doesn't know where you are if they care...but why should you tell everyone you know where you are at any given time ? Use facebook or shut The F#ck up....

 

I reckon redbaron is Scott Morrison. That would explain the failure to communicate properly, being angry most of the time and the unquestioning loyalty to the Liberal Party.

 

What we have here is a failure to communicate...

Cool...huh...hand Luke ; )

 

It is indeed a very sorry state of affairs. When you are asked a question by the people who you represent you are obliged to give an answer.


As redbaron mentioned - failure to communicate. This generates resentment and feeds the rumour mill. If you have nothing to hide, then why not discuss? If you don't know, then say it. If there are matters that are confidential, limit what you say but say what you can to provide a degree of reassurance.

 

It is indeed a very sorry state of affairs. When you are asked a question by the people who you represent you are obliged to give an answer.

Not necessarily, there is a difference between public curiosity and public interest.

 

^^ If the question being asked was number of people returned back to the horror from which they came, the tally would appear to be in the opposite.

 

^^Australia is not the answer for these people, where was all the threads about the people dying at sea?



You can guess what the number one election issue is going to be in 2 years time, chose labor and the country will be floored with free loaders, chose coalition for sustainable growth.

Everyone has a war story, I think it's an outrage that Sydney has a shit transportation system.

 

^^Australia is not the answer for these people, where was all the threads about the people dying at sea?

You can guess what the number one election issue is going to be in 2 years time, chose labor and the country will be floored with free loaders, chose coalition for sustainable growth.

We heard a lot about people dying at sea in Australian waters, the media made sure of that. Australia has nearly always been the answer for people seeking a better life and is a country full of your so called free loaders. Maybe the election will be framed as a Muslim/Asian invasion by some in the Coalition but not sure if it will help them win over the modern mainstream centre that is crucial to win government in this country.

 

Poor Hege, the homophobic, xenophobic bogan from the poor part of Sydney.

 

There's a lot of them. Meet Fiona Scott, member for Lindsay. Otherwise know as 'Penrith'. Stop the boats is code for stop immigration.

 

"Illegal Boat Arrivals" - what does that actually mean?
Boats arriving in Australian waters?

Because there has been a number of those during the Coalition's governance.

And i notice the little * next to the Coalition's numbers. I think that is there to quietly acknowledge that apples are being compared with oranges.

 

The concern for me is that the current conservative government has changed the status of these people from 'Refugees' to 'Illegals'. Somehow inferring that they're just a bunch of criminals that we should be free of.

The pre election promise of being an open an transparent government of the people is just another one of the bullshit promises gone by the way side made by these fools, who for some reason believe that the people answer to them and not the other way around.

 

The concern for me is that the current conservative government has changed the status of these people from 'Refugees' to 'Illegals'. Somehow inferring that they're just a bunch of criminals that we should be free of.

Where is this official reference to labelling those persons travelling on the boats "illegals"?

 

Thank god we know where 41 of them are.

Apparently only 4 where tamil.

 

Looks like the high court has granted an interim injunction preventing the handover of 153 Tamil asylum seekers on a boat intercepted by Australian authorities to the Sri Lankan navy. Good to see one of the most trusted institution in Australia doing a fine job.

 

Until 2pm tomorrow, then god know what will happen.

We don't really know if the 153 exist, someone on here suggested they could have been exterminated by now, I think headmaster said that, who knows.

 

From the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d/2014/jul/16/tamil-asylum-seekers-being-held-at-sea-in-windowless-locked-rooms


More than 150 Tamil asylum seekers on board an Australian border protection vessel are being detained in windowless locked rooms with men kept apart from their families against their will, newly released high court documents have revealed.

A statement of claim document submitted to the court by lawyers acting for 86 of the 153 asylum seekers also reveals that they have had no opportunity to deliver their protection claims – despite all claiming to be refugees – and had no access to a qualified translator despite almost all being unable to speak English.

The document shows that lawyers will challenge the legality of the detentions on the vessel, which Guardian Australia understands to be the customs ship Ocean Protector.

Lawyers will also argue that any decision to move the asylum seekers straight to offshore detention would be unlawful.

The Australian immigration minister Scott Morrison has refused to offer any public comment on the fate of the 153, who were intercepted by Australian border officials in late June after departing by boat from southern India on 11 June – meaning they have been at sea for over a month.

 

Mike Godwin on the current situation

https://storify.com/timb07/godwin-on-australia-s-treatment-of-asylum-seekers

 

appears that 157 people will now be landed at Curtin ... we still can't know when, since that is an "operational matter", which might inform or benefit the "people smugglers".

 

... unless ...

 

National Missing Persons Week

National Missing Persons Week is an annual event which takes place during the first week of August each year. It is coordinated by the National Missing Persons Coordination Centre (NMPCC) through the Australian Federal Police with the support of Australian State and Territory police. It aims to raise awareness of the significant issues associated with missing persons, and to reduce the incidence and impact of missing persons in Australia.

National Missing Persons Week was launched in 1997 and is seen as an effective way to raise the awareness of missing persons issues in Australia through targeted awareness and prevention campaigns using national and state-based media. Although National Missing Persons Week officially commenced in 1997, 2007 was the first time a national media campaign was developed and implemented.

 

I was just watching a couple at a playground who had their backs turned a good 20m away from their maybe 3 year old kid playing. There was at least a minute where they were faced away from the kid and didn't look back. Enough time for anyone to grab the kid and drive off. End of :no:

 

I know you said you were about 20 meters away but did the couple see you, or see anyone around the kid???

I guess sometimes some people can become complacent with their surroundings. Take a quick glance at where their child is an then lose track of time.

I.e. They may have seen you, thought you look like your trustworthy and not able to run off and perhaps they saw no one else nearby who could do the same.

They then turn their backs. They think they are right for a moment but then time gets away from them. One minute is enough time for anyone to grab their kid but they probably don't know that or think that and probably think they are in a safe area during broad day light.

I bet if they were in a built up area with heaps of people around they probably would be more aware as there are more chances of something going wrong.

However they are probably thinking he/she will be right for just a minute or two in a quiet area.

 

this place is boring without dan and skyfart

 

this place is boring without dan and skyfart