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That's the point I was trying to get at, you can have a city full of heritage buildings but does that necessarily give a city soul? It really is the people who give the city life and make it distinguishable. The fact that people view Brisbane as a laid back, but vibrant city is enough of an indication that the city has a distinguishable soul that is unique!
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I tend to agree with all, Jayden especially, but to me it's a combination of people and places.
Example, which will be disagreed with but that's ok, Melbourne. You have sterile Docklands which to me is fantastic, I'd live and work there and although Melbourne people may disagree, there is a 'vibe' there.
On the other hand Smith Street Fitzroy and some of Collingwood has grotty unpainted run down buildings yet the 'vibe' there is fantastic. It is cosy, old and full of options, providing you are reasonable affluent, and I'd live there too.
In Brisbane something like 111 Eagle looks magnificent yet near the Stamford are the older retail and cafes. It is a matter of taste. But again, Melbourne just balances the people and places well.
Example, which will be disagreed with but that's ok, Melbourne. You have sterile Docklands which to me is fantastic, I'd live and work there and although Melbourne people may disagree, there is a 'vibe' there.
On the other hand Smith Street Fitzroy and some of Collingwood has grotty unpainted run down buildings yet the 'vibe' there is fantastic. It is cosy, old and full of options, providing you are reasonable affluent, and I'd live there too.
In Brisbane something like 111 Eagle looks magnificent yet near the Stamford are the older retail and cafes. It is a matter of taste. But again, Melbourne just balances the people and places well.
Aren't we talking about the inner suburbs here though, rather than the CBD, which contain a lot of heritage architecture which does play a big part in defining Brisbane ?
To be fair, that wasn't what I just read Jayden. There was a variety of opinions with many agreeing with saving much of the heritage in the inner suburbs while arguing some would be better converted to high density. I understand your argument that all of it should be saved with only complementary architecture used which is a discussion worth having with reasonable arguments to be made on both sides.
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Apart from being the centrepiece of the new development, does anyone know what this prominent Queenslander will be used for once restored?An update on this one, care of a Lost Brisbane Facebook post, demolition has well and truly commenced, with Abbotsford House looking very sad for itself at the moment.
Abbotsford's Make Over. by ktotakov ☭, on Flickr
The guy who took this photo has a whole set showing much of the formerly derelict house prior to the start of redevelopment. If you go to the Flickr link and look for the album the image is in, you should see the rest of the shots.
EDIT: Check out the guy's whole flickr page, there's a lot of very interesting urbex-style photos in there!
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^^ I believe it will be commercial uses, similar to Collins Place with Southpoint.
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Detroit isn't filled with grand beautiful buildings.
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This is an example of what dimethyltryptamine calls "faux/façade heritage". I see nothing faux about this building built in 2015.
And if he wants to say that this is "faux" then isn't most neo-modern architecture "faux" as well? Since it is copying previous styles?
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I'm not saying we should build this building, but to say older styles today would be "faux heritage" is a pathetic argument. We need to resurrect older building styles for new developments to ensure the city keeps its character and soul.
And now lets look at what dimethyltryptamine wants Brisbane to look like...
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Ugly, hideous, cultureless, soulless. Whereas I want mixed styles of architecture built, he only wants a monopoly of these hideous buildings.
And if he wants to say that this is "faux" then isn't most neo-modern architecture "faux" as well? Since it is copying previous styles?
I'm not saying we should build this building, but to say older styles today would be "faux heritage" is a pathetic argument. We need to resurrect older building styles for new developments to ensure the city keeps its character and soul.
And now lets look at what dimethyltryptamine wants Brisbane to look like...
Ugly, hideous, cultureless, soulless. Whereas I want mixed styles of architecture built, he only wants a monopoly of these hideous buildings.
Suburbs like Paddington, Red Hill, Bardon, Ashgrove define inner Brisbane to me. Hilly, leafy, green and full of old Queenslanders and workers cottages. JaydenM is right in that if any of these suburbs started to be over run by modern development it would be a tragedy. However some inner suburbs like Bowen Hills, Wooloongabba, Milton are mostly ugly semi industrial areas that don't really have any character that needs to be preserved.
Bowen Hills does have some wonderful old houses on the "Hill" part facing Perry Park.
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At no point has dimethyptamine said that is what he wants Brisbane to look like so don't talk shit..
If you're going to have a discussion with someone then don't misquote them or misrepresent them, it completely renders your points invalid due to bias and making shit up. There are plenty of other examples of modern design which is welcoming, warm and significantly contribute to the street scape, Southbank has all been built since the 1980's but you would be hard pressed to find anyone suggest that area lacks 'soul'..
You have highlighted one of the ugliest buildings in Brisbane to support this argument that faux facades should be used, the irony is that these buildings look cheap because they are. The only way the business case was able to be passed was due the to low overheads during construction, this includes design and facade treatment. Cheap buildings are an absolute necessity as they provide cheaper accommodation and lower housing prices, that faux facade building you highlighted would come with a premium cost and if that sort of design and treatment were applied to all residential projects in Brisbane then construction would grind to a halt and inner city living would be reserved exclusively for those at can afford the $million plus price tag.... Let's see how much 'soul' and culture exists then....
Brisbane's aesthetic debate rages on.....
I must admit when I first came to visit Brisbane way back in the early 90's I wondered over to the South Bank 'cultural precinct' to check out the area and stared at those buildings, the Queensland Performing Arts Centre, the Queensland Art Gallery, the Queensland Museum and the State Library of Queensland.
I thought to myself....''Wow, this is the ugliest city I've ever been to!!''
But over time some of Brisbane's brutalist and post modernist architectural charm has kind of grown on me. There was a time when I, like a lot of other people I may add, found the typical cold-hearted brutalist building to be overly-scaled overly-tough, and rather overly-powering with blocky shapes jostling each other so aggressively. That bland reinforced concrete that doesnt age gracefully, that stains and decays. The sheer unadulterated ugliness and mediocrity of these and other public and commercial buildings exasperated me. But now 2 decades on I'm starting to really appreciate what these Brutalist buildings are all about - Brutalist architecture seems to have drawn a hard line between those who love it and those who hate it, they are certainly a potent symbol of their time.
When most people consider architecture, if they consider it at all, it is typically viewed through the binary lens of aesthetics. Like, don’t like. Love, hate. The line between can be subtle. I dare say in a couple of centuries down the line people will cherish Brisbane's brutalist architecture like we do with other periods of time......
I must admit when I first came to visit Brisbane way back in the early 90's I wondered over to the South Bank 'cultural precinct' to check out the area and stared at those buildings, the Queensland Performing Arts Centre, the Queensland Art Gallery, the Queensland Museum and the State Library of Queensland.
I thought to myself....''Wow, this is the ugliest city I've ever been to!!''
But over time some of Brisbane's brutalist and post modernist architectural charm has kind of grown on me. There was a time when I, like a lot of other people I may add, found the typical cold-hearted brutalist building to be overly-scaled overly-tough, and rather overly-powering with blocky shapes jostling each other so aggressively. That bland reinforced concrete that doesnt age gracefully, that stains and decays. The sheer unadulterated ugliness and mediocrity of these and other public and commercial buildings exasperated me. But now 2 decades on I'm starting to really appreciate what these Brutalist buildings are all about - Brutalist architecture seems to have drawn a hard line between those who love it and those who hate it, they are certainly a potent symbol of their time.
When most people consider architecture, if they consider it at all, it is typically viewed through the binary lens of aesthetics. Like, don’t like. Love, hate. The line between can be subtle. I dare say in a couple of centuries down the line people will cherish Brisbane's brutalist architecture like we do with other periods of time......
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Cheap buildings built with cheap materials should be relegated to the outer inner suburbs like Mt Gravatt and Chermside, and possibly even a little closer like Woolloongabba.
CBD, the hills, and the valley should all have much higher standards for quality buildings.
The RNA showgrounds Green Residence or whatever its called is my pick of the ugliest building recently built in Brisbane. And of course I know DMT doesn't want Brisbane to look like that, but when he makes remarks about how happy he is to see the Regent Theatre demolished, to see the Bonded stores demolished, and to see various other heritage buildings bulldozed it sorta makes my point to say that.
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So basically you think only rich people should live in the inner-city... You want to create urban ghettos by relegating all cheaper and affordable accommodation to the outer suburbs, where services are lower quality, where there are less jobs.
Im for one glad there are efforts to create affordable accommodation in the inner city, I'm glad there are measures in place to allow a diverse range of people and families be able to live in the inner city. It shouldn't be reserved purely for the rich just because someone doesn't like the look of the buildings.
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Jayden, dimethyptamine and tocc are just hot-headed don't spend 2016 on here defending and whining, it upsets the poor dears and if they have a bad day they will do the cowardly thing and abuse you online, yet take offense when challenged. You have your own views and unless they are out of the boundaries of the forum rules, to which admins can ban someone, type what you want and if the replies are not to you liking let those that abuse waste their Internet costs and get high blood pressure.
If D wants things demolished jayden unless he buys them fat chance of that happening.
Now back to the thread, as I've said like a broken record, Melbourne, and to an extent Adelaide, have got the mix of old and new right. I know Sydney and Brisbane are full of let's demolish attitudes, but I don't mind some of the recent, last 4 years, skyscrapers.
Happy new year Jayden and here is hoping you get your wish for older type buildings.
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Michael, there were no insults been exchanged between Jayden and I, there's no need for you to come in and insinuate that members of this forum are cowards. If you want to call someone a coward then grow some balls and do it directly, no one appreciate this passive aggressive approach you direct at people and then cry innocent when people call you out on it.
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Thanks for the kind words Michael, but I didn't feel like TOCC was being all too negative.
I know in the past I have had arguments with TOCC but at the moment I think we are having a fairly relaxed discussion.
One of my points that I'd make for inappropriate development occurring in Brisbane's character suburbs is the demolition of Hellenic House for a residential tower.
Now please listen to what I'm saying, and what I'm not saying. I was and still am not overly fussed about Hellenic House's demolition, but to build this tower in an area dominated by heritage listed queenslanders in Browning St, and rows of beautiful grand houses (which I doubt will ever be demolished) on Edmondstone st is just plain ridiculous and highlights how dumbsh*t council are.
Why does there need to be a tower this high in a block where it will most certainly stand on its own and tower above these heritage buildings, it ruins the look of the area.
And before you say, "Oh development will ensure new towers grow up around it".
Where will they go? The next street over is in West End, rows of beautiful old queenslanders line these streets so where will these new towers go?
This is the point I make, it only takes one out of place development too close to our character suburbs before it acts as the catalyst to start demolition of everything.
West End should be completely off limits to new development, and the small areas where development can occur should be restricted to low rise high density.
Council needs to ensure height limits approaching West End progressively decrease in level.
Currently what is going on, is that many developers in South Brisbane are ignoring council guidelines and submitting plans for towers far above their limits and in areas that are specifically meant for lower height.
I know in the past I have had arguments with TOCC but at the moment I think we are having a fairly relaxed discussion.
One of my points that I'd make for inappropriate development occurring in Brisbane's character suburbs is the demolition of Hellenic House for a residential tower.
Now please listen to what I'm saying, and what I'm not saying. I was and still am not overly fussed about Hellenic House's demolition, but to build this tower in an area dominated by heritage listed queenslanders in Browning St, and rows of beautiful grand houses (which I doubt will ever be demolished) on Edmondstone st is just plain ridiculous and highlights how dumbsh*t council are.
Why does there need to be a tower this high in a block where it will most certainly stand on its own and tower above these heritage buildings, it ruins the look of the area.
And before you say, "Oh development will ensure new towers grow up around it".
Where will they go? The next street over is in West End, rows of beautiful old queenslanders line these streets so where will these new towers go?
This is the point I make, it only takes one out of place development too close to our character suburbs before it acts as the catalyst to start demolition of everything.
West End should be completely off limits to new development, and the small areas where development can occur should be restricted to low rise high density.
Council needs to ensure height limits approaching West End progressively decrease in level.
Currently what is going on, is that many developers in South Brisbane are ignoring council guidelines and submitting plans for towers far above their limits and in areas that are specifically meant for lower height.
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